Figment - Early Game (Started)

[gowb]

Holy [censored]...I wish my games had this much crazy diplomacy and drama. O_O Newbie games are kinda quiet and boring, no one seems to be talking at all (yet).

[Corwin]

Velusion said:

Are you asking for a truce? Because right now I wouldn't mind fighting just Van after all his posts.

I am asking for you to do what is best for your nation Velusion, that's all. I would hate to see the game thrown in my favor as much as I would hate to see it thrown in other nation's favor. I like fair fight much more than I like winning.

I am ok with you fighting me - this is the war you have started yourself after all. But you are not in danger of me invading your territory anytime soon - as you can see I don't have many troops nearby, your timing of attacking me was very good. I will do my best to defend my territory though.
I also humbly ask that all parties involved (including myself ) take a deep breath and please calm down a bit.

You can call me naive, but I think this whole thing was blown way out of proportions into conspiracy theories territory. There is simply no realistic way all that could have been planned the way it happened - the timing of PMs is all wrong. If you like I can forward you all PMs I send and recieved from Vanheim regarding your and his attacks on my territory this turn. (with permision from Vanheim of course) and you can see their content and timing yourself. I am sure it will settle any doubts that you may still have - I am telling the truth.

What really happened here is an accident mulitplied by freaky coincidence. (you and Vanheim attacking my territory at the same time)

I think all parties overreacted, each party in its own way (myself included). Fortunately it all can get sorted out very quickly, before even the next turn. So I urge all of us continue this game in calm and rational way. This game was a blast so far (and thank you for organizing it Velusion). There are no reasons to derail it.

[Velusion]

Corwin said:
Fortunately it all can get sorted out very quickly, before even the next turn.

Still no answer to my question. Either publicly sign a 5-turn NAP with me now or I have absolutely no intention of giving you a chance to regroup. If everything was big misunderstanding then these is no reason to not immediately declare peace with me.

I'll actually probably throw my gems to someone else when I start to go under instead of Vanheim. I have this sneaky suspicion some of them would end up in your hands if I did....

[Corwin]

Velusion said:

Still no answer to my question. Either publicly sign a 5-turn NAP with me now or I have absolutely no intention of giving you a chance to regroup. If everything was big misunderstanding then these is no reason to not immediately declare peace with me.

I'll actually probably throw my gems to someone else when I start to go under instead of Vanheim. I have this sneaky suspicion some of them would end up in your hands if I did....

I do not want to sign peace with you, not after you attacked me last turn. If I sign peace now, you will conquer Vanheim, and than you will surely turn against me. Why would I want it to happen? If you are going to be fair, I think you will have to agree - it is not in my nation's interest to agree to peace in the situation that would allow you to become even stronger than you are now. Would you agree to something like that if you would be in my shoes, wouldn't you?

I can agree to 5 turns truce with you if you like. (you can call it 5 turns warning NAP, and cosider myself giving you the warning). I don't care what you do with your gems. But frankly I am a bit dissapointed that you are still using it as a blackmail - even after I spend so much time and efforts explaining to you what has happened and even offered to forward you all PMs that I send and recieved this turn so you could see their content and their timing yourself (with Vanheim's permission of course). If you are still hellbent on sending your gems to someone, send your gems them to whomever you want. Just don't send them to me, because I will not accept them, and it will be pain in the *** for me to re-send them to all nations equaly.

[Velusion]

Corwin said:

I do not want to sign peace with you, not after you attacked me last turn. If I sign peace now, you will conquer Vanheim, and than you will surely turn against me. Why would I want it to happen?

I can agree to 5 turns truce with you if you like. (you can call it 5 turns warning NAP, and cosider myself giving you the warning). I don't care what you do with your gems. But frankly I am a bit dissapointed that you are still using it as a blackmail - even after I spend so much time and efforts explaining to you what has happened and even offered to forward you all PMs that I send and recieved this turn so you could see their content and their timing yourself (with Vanheim's permission of course).

*rolls eyes*

Whatever... you say one thing (we can work it out) and then another (I won't accept peace!). A truce gains me nothing because you'll surely march on me immediately when it's over.

No it looks like I'm going to have to throw everything I can at you immediately.

[Corwin]

Velusion said:
*rolls eyes*

Whatever... you say one thing (we can work it out) and then another (I won't accept peace!). A truce gains me nothing because you'll surely march on me immediately when it's over.

No it looks like I'm going to have to throw everything I can at you immediately.

Velusion, I think you are very smart guy and you must have already realized what has happened this turn, and now you are just trying to play me and get the best out of the difficult situation that you have put yourself into by attacking me. And now you are accusing me of double talk. <sigh>

By "we can work it out" (although I never used these specific words) I meant "we can work out what has really happened this turn", and you know it very well. Once it become clear that Vanheim's attack on me was an accident I never indicated that I want any type of truce with you, and you know it. I said that much in my PM to you, remember?

You have attacked me, you made your choice, now you are trying to backpedal simply because you have realized that you neighbors are going to take advantage of the situation (surprise!)

So now you are threatening to destroy me utterly while helping nations who declare war on you to take over your territory and then you demand that I accept long lasting NAP with you while you deal with others. Sorry but it is not going to work with me.

Here is a bottom line - there are three possible scenarios for you:

1. If you agree with what have happened this turn (and you don't have to take my words - you have your own scouts to prove it) than you must understand that it is contrary to my nation's interest to agree to NAP with you in such situation. But at the same time you have no reason whatsoever to be pissed at my nation because I never betrayed or lied to you in any way, and because it was you who attacked me just last turn, not the other way around.

2. If you are still not convinced in this version of events but would be interested in seeing more proof, I am willing to forward you all PMs I've sent and received this turn (with Vanheim's permission).
These PMs, together with its timing, will show you beyond any doubt that I am telling the truth.

3. But if you still don't believe me despite everything that was said and your own scouts reports, than it doesn't make any sense for you to offer me NAP in the first place - because it would make me devious backstabbing bastard of such magnitude that Machiavelli himself would be a pale shadow near me. While it is kindof flattering, I am afraid I do not measure up even if I would try very hard.

Anyway, do whatever you want, I am getting tired of all this drama.

[Velusion]

Corwin said:
Velusion, I think you are very smart guy and you must have already realized what has happened this turn...

Truer words have never been spoken.

"Van and Sauro sitten in a tree K-I-S-S-I....."

Edit: I forgot to mention that I'm still brining the hairy demonic ape pain!

[Dedas]

Pangaea quietly slips back into the dark forests from whens they came. The frost giants and the men from the south can fight over her land all they want. Pangaea is no longer interested in contending over such meager property.

Good game everyone.

[Xavier]

Does this mean you're going AI so soon? And here I was dreading the mop-up process, stealthy armies popping up left, right, and center and my Jarls frantically dashing about trying to put kill them all off.

Anyway, good game Dedas

[Baalz]

Dem demons craaaaaazy. Dat why we gotta get rid uh dem all! Butt dun wanna half no combunayshun uh hairy, demonic, ape, or pain....perhaps ar declurashun uh wor wuz haystee.

Hehehe, perhaps my new sig:

"Butt dun wanna half no combunayshun uh hairy, demonic, ape, or pain"