Newbie Game EA (Running) - Page 27

FrankTrollman · #**261** November 14th, 2006, 09:35 PM

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I do think the 'heims are a little too strong but they are obviously not the only way you can build a strong nation, Tien Chi is dominating this game magically for instance. But then, they were also fortunate enough to not have a starting position right next to a bless rusher.

Uhhh.... our first war was with Helheim. They paid us 200 gold for a cease fire when we killed 20 of their Helhirdings.

The Great Catsby has Spoken.

Sheap · #**262** November 14th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Never mind, I was right the first time

RamsHead · #**263** November 14th, 2006, 11:30 PM

I must point out that I, as Helheim, have not used a dual bless strategy unlike *cough T'ien Ch'i and *cough Ulm who are *cough allies *cough. Excuse me, I seem to have a tickle.

Stryke11 · #**264** November 14th, 2006, 11:52 PM

Let's not forget that even without glamour, Neifelheim is also using a bless rush to devastating effect.

Ironhawk. I'd enjoy playing another newbie game if the 'heims were disallowed or neutered, but also I think for a newbie game, a bigger map with some more breathing space would be nice, too. I never expanded enough to get comfortable, and it was just my bad luck to land in the middle of the map surrounded by other nations. Not to say a bigger map would guarantee more space and time for buildup, due to random placement, but it would hopefully give newbies like me who don't know bless strategy from greek and who need some living space to get the ball rolling.

I have considered that playing some "blitz" games with experienced players would build up my strategies and knowledge base in a hurry, but I don't even know how to get involved in one of those or how it works.

Just an OT and random idea, too: Ermor has sacred units that are heavy cavalry and recruitable non prophet priests who (iirc) have the three candles to mass bless, so maybe a dual bless would work for NF Ermor. Has anyone tried this? I assume since no one has mentioned it before that there is probably some reason why it wouldn't work. I kinda like Ermor as a nation and would prefer to learn how to make them great, at least for MP, then switch to an easier nation.

Sheap · #**265** November 15th, 2006, 12:25 AM

One reason the 'heims bless so well is free points from cold scale which can go right into pretender magic, and low resource to gold ratio on their sacreds so they can take sloth too.

For the same reason, Ermor's not an ideal bless nation because it needs to buy expensive scales. The sacred heavy cavalry will be resource limited if you take sloth, plus Ermor likes neutral temp so can't take a bunch of temperature points, leaving the points for a bless in short supply.

Niefelheim bless works differently, but all the ingredients are there: Plenty of design points and high-cost, high-quality sacred troops that don't take a lot of losses in combat.

FrankTrollman · #**266** November 15th, 2006, 04:20 AM

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RamsHead said:
I must point out that I, as Helheim, have not used a dual bless strategy unlike *cough T'ien Ch'i and *cough Ulm who are *cough allies *cough. Excuse me, I seem to have a tickle.

We have a what? You've seen our troops, and we've seen yours. Your units have a larger bless bonus in two categories than ours...

-Finger Pointing is Hilarious

Sheap · #**267** November 15th, 2006, 05:22 AM

The server will be down for a few minutes while I monkey around with it. If you happen to be caelum and are trying to play your turn, just sit tight.

Sheap · #**268** November 15th, 2006, 05:31 AM

Server is back up. Even though the server says 24 hours remaining, I may force-host the turn at 11:30 AM Pacific time if Caelum hasn't played by then (this is when the timer would normally expire on the quickhost). Caelum hasn't staled a turn yet AFAIK so no worries but I want to be up front about things.

Saarud · #**269** November 15th, 2006, 05:34 AM

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FrankTrollman said:

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RamsHead said:
I must point out that I, as Helheim, have not used a dual bless strategy unlike *cough T'ien Ch'i and *cough Ulm who are *cough allies *cough. Excuse me, I seem to have a tickle.

We have a what? You've seen our troops, and we've seen yours. Your units have a larger bless bonus in two categories than ours...

-Finger Pointing is Hilarious

Yeah... well my bless is larger than yours anyhow... oh wait what kinda bless are we talking about?

Really this is a Newbie game and I and most others are probably playing our first MP games. I never knew using bless strategy would seem gamey. I have myself with my Agarthan nation choosed to use a bless strategy (although quite unsuccesful since I seriously suck at this game

) as I had no idea blessing is a gamey tactic.

Anyhow I agree with Stryke11 and I hope a new Newbie game on a larger map will start after 3.02 is released.

Oh and even though my Agarthan nation is among the smallest in provinces that still is alive I have the largest army... atleast something to be proud about. Yeah and I also whopped some Maverni Eponi Knights this turn.... ahhh that was sooo sweet.

WSzaboPeter · #**270** November 15th, 2006, 09:09 AM

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Foodstamp said:
I refuse to flatter you or any other cheese ball *heim build with negotiations, because that would insenuate there was more cunning to your playstyles

First of all, you started a war, by attacking me. A war that you can't win. Since I wanted peace I offered you one. You refused. I wanted to trade. You refused it again. Even if I trusted you and sent half the PAYMENT before getting the gems. Now please tell me how could I offer you peace once more.
But I do it again, for the very last time. If you don't agree it, then I will crush you, and we both know you can't stop me.