MP: Magellan: All-EA Nations CBM game, 3D spherical map, Running

[chrispedersen]

Yeah, according to the rules, the motion failed as it didn't get the 75% needed. Just set up another vote in 3 turns.

[fungalreason]

Well then I request 3 24 hour extensions for the next 3 turns.

[fungalreason]

Besides where are you getting the idea that a vote failed? Perhaps you'd care to point out a single person voting against it?

If the current admin can manage simple things fairly like the hosting schedule, perhaps someone else is willing to step up and take it over?

[Dragar]

I'm quite happy at 24 hrs but seriously, if this many people want it longer and no-one actually objects, lets amend (or ignore) the consitituion and push it. It has been a great game, lets not spoil it now by rushing people

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by fungalreason

Besides where are you getting the idea that a vote failed? Perhaps you'd care to point out a single person voting against it?

If the current admin can manage simple things fairly like the hosting schedule, perhaps someone else is willing to step up and take it over?

Sheesh fungal. Just look at the conditions on the first page - I am simply following the rules that were agreed to by all the players.

A lot of people liked the fast turn-around the last time this came to a vote. As we haven't heard from them we can't really know whether they want to speed up the timer or not.

The turn was delayed 24 hours for the vote. If you seriously need another 24 hours, of course we'll delay. However, Jarrko has requested the game be pause for a week on June 3rd. And while he is looking for a sub, it seems likely he will not find one.

So, personally, I'd like to get 2 more turns in before the week pause by Jarrko.

[fungalreason]

Why does your preference weigh more than the 6 people that Actually responded!?!?!?!

I don't even see why this is an issue. It's turn 43. My turns are complicated, as I'm sure the other people that are in wars are too. I have other commitments than just this game, and at best you save TWO turns.

If you can't understand that, then you have no business being admin.

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by cleveland

- When you feel the game timer should be permanently extended, post a notice in this thread. If another player "seconds" your motion, a vote will be held. The current turn timer will be immediately extended by 24hrs (to prevent turn-specific influence), and the admin will send an email to all players announcing the vote. All active players will then vote to either (A) Permanently extend the game timer, (B) Keep the game timer as-is, or (C) Abstain. Quorum shall be 75% of ACTIVE players. Majority vote wins. Should a vote fail, no further vote shall be held for 3 turns.

If I can play the role of impartial outsider here regarding the issue of extending the hosting. The above constitution, copied from the status page, states that 75% of the current active players have to vote for a quorum to be reached, with the majority decision winning. It does not say that 75% of the players have to agree, or that they have to respond within a given timeframe.

So far the vote to extend the hosting from what I can see on the forum is...

In Favour

1. fungalreason
2. hEad
3. Jarkko
4. Quitti
5. Hadrian_II
6. Aethyr
7. Fakeymcfake
8. Statttis (Edit: added this vote)

Against

1. ChrisPedersen
2. Drager

So that is currently 7-2 (Edit: now 8-2) in favour of an increase. There are currently 13 active players (according to the llamaserver) so the missing player votes do not matter as even if all the other player voted against the increase, it would still be passed at a 7-6 majority.(Edit: now reads 8-5) The same goes for needing a quorum. (Edit: 10/13 is now over 75%)

Hope I don't offend anyone by posting my views and analysis, but I have a lot of RL experience with constitutions, and if you are following this one to the letter (never a good thing with any constitution in my experience since they all lack common sense) then even then the players wishing to increase the hosting would prevail.

Edit: Managed to edit in time to add statttis's vote below.

[statttis]

I vote to move to 48 hrs

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by fungalreason

Why does your preference weigh more than the 6 people that Actually responded!?!?!?!

I don't even see why this is an issue. It's turn 43. My turns are complicated, as I'm sure the other people that are in wars are too. I have other commitments than just this game, and at best you save TWO turns.

If you can't understand that, then you have no business being admin.

I suggested you read the rules we agreed, which explained why the motion failed. Since you didn't, I'll repost:

"All active players will then vote to either (A) Permanently extend the game timer, (B) Keep the game timer as-is, or (C) Abstain. Quorum shall be 75% of ACTIVE players. Majority vote wins. Should a vote fail, no further vote shall be held for 3 turns."

We have *14* active players. *Six* is not the *11* votes needed.
I gave valid reasons for prefering to wait two more turns, but it isn't what any one player wants that matters.

The last time there was a vote, the exact same procedure was followed. You didn't give cleveland a problem - why are you giving me one?

Edit:
Calahan: At the time of the vote we had 14 players. We lost one player, and stattis voted after the turn processed (and no one in this discussion staled).

But I would be happy to have Calahan take up admin duties, if he's willing to accept.

[chrispedersen]

Look, this is what I suggest:

I have no problem in stepping down as admin and letting Fakey admin. I sent an email to that effect to Fakey.

In the interrim, it now looks as if the quorum of people want to extend the timer, (something that wasn't true at the start of this debate).

I'd like to suggest we just stay with the current schedule until June 3rd, and then switch to 48 hrs. But if thats not amenable then we can switch, now by all means.