SP, MLRS and SPAA Developments

[DRG]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Hopefully this will cover the issue for you.

Regards,
Pat

Unit 581 - 2S12 Sani has been removed. The truck-transported Mortars are already covered so it is only removed as an "SP mortar" because it never was

One scenario used that unit and it has been adjusted.

Unit 581 in the RUS OOB is now the S34 Hosta which actually is kinda a gun/mortar hybrid but it's under the SP mortar UC now

[blazejos]

Article about Hosta service on frontline and aparently one of them is trophy of Ukrainian Army

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ines-5843.html

[MarkSheppard]

Guys....I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have added even MORE variants.

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/st...79968237649922

Some more Russian MT-LBs now equipped with 14.5mm 2M-7 and 12.7mm DShK naval gun mounts.

One MT-LB fitted with a 2M-7 naval gun mount has already been captured by Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/clashreport/stat...37542466920448

New Russian innovation: MT-LB APC with 25mm naval gun 2M-3.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I'm only speaking for myself here but, I think we need to be careful with some of these type units especially for ones like Russia where slots are and, in some cases, have been an issue for many years now.

Though now unlikely at this point, we still might see some of these long-projected projects possibly being able "see the light of day" from domestic production.

With Russia we (I already am.) we need to keep our eye on the ball as Iran is offering other weapons and I'm not quite sure what China is going to do with arms being sent to Russia.

On the Diplomatic side things aren't currently looking to good at the moment for the West.

However, since Xi already ordered his military to be ready to execute a possible invasion of Taiwan by 2027, it makes sense to me if I was him to see how well my equipment will hold up not only in the battlefield but, in the battlefield against Western equipment and tactics.

That's how Taiwan was equipped and trained.

And China is in a much better position to supply them (As compared to the West.) very easily 300 - 400 tanks within a year or less if they wanted to via the secure rail network that both countries operate.

Domestically not much we can do about sanctions as both our countries are so intertwined economically.

A demonstration to validate my immediate above comment, we look to Germany. Even before the war I posted somethings out there concerning the overall tank shortages in the West and Germany was one of them. I believe I had pinned them done with around 250 tanks this is to include the LEOPARD 2A5 (20/22) that currently use for advanced tank operational training before the crews are assigned to their units.

In short Germany is trying to buy back some of the LEOPARDS they sold to neutral Switzerland. These are not for the Ukraine but to replenish to BUNDESWEHR.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...er/ar-AA18dFN6
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...450070804.html
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...450070804.html

Regards,
Pat

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Guys....I hate to break it to you, but the Russians have added even MORE variants.

Take for instance the HMMWV.
Unarmored vs armored (2)
Unarmed vs 7.62 MMG vs 7.62 Gat vs 12.7mm HMG vs 12.7mm Gat vs 40mm AGL vs TOW ATGM (7)
No night vision vs typical night vision vs thermal (3)

So we have 2x7x3=42 variants on the simple HMMWV.

And these are just the probable not possible variants; i.e ground radar, forward observation, configured for passengers or cargo, ambulance, etc. etc. etc.

All OOBs are an exercise in "probable" vs "possible".

[blazejos]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

New Russian innovation: MT-LB APC with 25mm naval gun 2M-3.

Saga with MT-LB-2M-3 continues now even in Russia they have serious question that this is a serious adequate AA vehicle if they have also simple MT-LB with ZU-23?

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...2m_3-6046.html

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Along with what will be the CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT the AS-90 has not been delivered yet. However, the 2nd Group of AS-90 crews has just completed training in the UK from Ukraine.

What is other noteworthy here is the article gives us the accelerated training timeframe for those crews at 2 months. The ref is sourced from UK Defence Ministry on Twitter.

"A group of Ukrainian military personnel arrived in the United Kingdom for training with AS-90 self-propelled howitzers in early February."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...70d67da&ei=363


A fair amount of the AS-90 are going to the Ukraine, because of this they'll need to replace these quickly to maintain their defense posture but, with what? One of the BEST in the world.
https://des.mod.uk/des-secures-arche...-british-army/
(These appear to be new build systems with FOC April 2024.)

On the "face of it" I would've dismissed this system BELOW out of hand, however, after reading it's CEP and Blast Radius data, I'm going to post it and see what happens. From the ref.

FOC/START MAR 2023.

"The Grim-2 operational-tactical missile system is being developed to target individual and group stationary targets at distances ranging from 50 to 280 km. The single-stage ballistic missiles warhead is designed with a mass of 480 kg. The payload can be configured as a unitary or cluster. The unitary configuration uses a fragmentation-high-explosive or penetrating fragmentation-high-explosive payload. The cluster payload is equipped with fragmentation-high-explosive sub-munitions. The missile's estimated impact area with a fragmentation-high-explosive payload is over 10,000 m², while a cluster charge covers 2-3 hectares. The missile, together with its 7.2-meter launch container, weighs 3.5 tons. The missile's onboard control system is inertial and comes with various navigation and guidance systems, such as radar-based and optoelectronic systems (Mine-In other words it's a precision guided weapon.) .

Multiple sources suggest that the 280 km range is a formal limitation for the export version of the missile. However, for its own army's requirements, the system's firing range could be increased to 450-500 km."

Someday soon say maybe they'll say "Goodbye" to that bridge at that extended range (Or without.).
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...an_troops.html
http://www.military-today.com/missil...ic_missile.htm
(REPORTS, IT CARRIES 2 MISSILES.)

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Also this month the Ukraine has reactivated their KS 19 100mm AA systems. They are being used as Field Artillery and in the AT mode as well. They originally entered service in 1947.
"It has a maximum firing range of approximately 15 km and can reach targets flying at up to 10 km. The gun can fire up to 15 rounds per minute with a variety of ammunition types: high explosive, armor-piercing, and fragmentation rounds. “Effective against light armor and other ground targets,” is how the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency described the KS-19 in 1969."

It is unsure fully whether they'll be used in Combat or Training of Artillery personal.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukra...00mm_guns.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...res_video.html

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

There are already three MT-LBM variants in the Russian OOB that have been renationalized by me because their status was "iffy" so technically there are three slots that could be used but that does not mean they will or won't

[blazejos]

Now info about self-propelled mortars in Ukrainian army

They snatched on the beginning of war 2x Hosta from Russians with tractors

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...2s34-2443.html

but haven't analogous vehicle so the went this way and created 2S17-2 Nona-SV which is BMP-1+2S9 Nona self-propelled 120-mm mortar tower

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...ideo-6004.html

But that is short term solution for now improvisation during wartime for longer term they consider use of Polish RAK tower on Gvozdika chassis wich they have themself
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries..._are-5865.html

Sivalka MLRS is based on Grad-P and different chassis like HMMWV and pickups
https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...pecs-5968.html

Here about new usage upgrade of old DShK

A Ukrainian warrior hunting on some air target with DShKM heavy machine gun that is equipped with a Canadian GSCI Advanced Photonics TI-GEAR-S thermal optic, complete with HMD-800-MOD monocular attached