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[DonCorazon]

Everz,
I would be sad if you really meant that you would never play Dom3 again b/c of this. I enjoyed our clash up until that last maneuver. I wasn't sure if it was an exploit or a strategy that had some counter, which was why I posted - not to attack your honor. It was clearly frustrating to lose an army like that, especially since I didn�t even know what was happening or how to counter it. We should have clarified what was allowable and what is not. We are both MP noobs so there was a communication breakdown but not a big deal. If you were enjoying Dom3 MP then please keep playing it. I�d hate to see you give up something that was fun for you just b/c of this.

Btw Your game was skillful and from what I can tell you certainly deserve the win, unless someone else has something up their sleeve.

[Firewalker]

Huh. So, who all is dropping so far?

Just to try and keep track. If Niefelheim and T'ien-chi both go AI without subs, I'd say we might as well break and start a new game.

[everz]

Tuidjy said:
Nick was Niefelheim. The quotes are from posts that came a few posts before
your last post. Am I to believe that you do not read threads that you are
posting to?

"Two scenarios:
1. Two units on field. One has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats. Other stays and fight.
2. Two units on field. One casts "Mist of Deception" and retreats. Other has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats.
Do we allow either? My preference is: "No" on 1, "No" on 2."

[a number of posts that all agree it is an exploit ending with]

well if it is on the bug list, ofcourse it shouldn't be used. No reason to make it such a big deal...

[three posts]

A post by you.

I never seen/participated in your bug discussion. That thread is public and everyone could go there to find out the truth. I don't know (and don't care) where you are from and what your purpose is. Fortunately I'm leaving and won't necessarily to stay here with such kind of person like you.

To DonCorazon: A lot of fun fighting against Niefelheim. They will become nice frames in my memory.

To Firewalker: Sorry for that. I'll try to find a sub.

Finally, and honestly thank you for hosting us, llamabeast. You are a gracious host.

[Xietor]

If it helps any, in the games I host, if you cast a battlefield spell that causes the opponent damage, you cannot retreat the caster for 5 turns. I think that is a fair rule. Velusion hosted games use the same rule.

Also no game hosted on llamaserver allows you to copy the attack mage commands from charmed Bogus friends to other units.

Llamabeast posted that under his rules for llamaserver games.

[Wokeye]

If the two remaining major powers (TC & Neifel) are not interested in playing on, then I say we retire the game.

My Tritons hate the thought of leaving the sea to fight Tartarians. ...and I didnt have much going for me *on land*, except a few unique items, weak inf. raiders and the alliance with landlubbers.

I am happy to concede victory to TC - the research race was absolutely dominated and the sheer number of troops and uber SCs (Tartarians everywhere!!) will pound any challengers.


Everz I do believe this is a competitive strategy game and it is our job to find and use strategic advantages. While there is an accusation against you of unsportsmanlike play by use of that strategy, I think if you admitted to making a mistake, then we can all move on from it and learn.

Overall, I leant a lot from the game, including:
- keep more of an eye on those players getting ahead in the mid-game, to place more pressure earlier...
- An AI nation really changes the whole game. Going AI without warning is bad form. Going AI is undesirable at any time, even with warnings. (not having a go at anyone here, just generally)
- do not use the battlefield nuke/retreat general strategies (as discussed above)
- lightning storms and stealthy elves are hurty.

If the game does not continue, I look forward to butting armies again with you all. Except that 'AI' guy - he sux!

[DonCorazon]

Let's end it then. Call it a victory for Everz, so he can retire his brief MP career with an amazing undefeated record at 1 - 0.
I hope he comes back - it is a shame to let a heckler drive you away but that is his call.

Good game everyone. Thanks again to Llamabeast for organizing and letting us use Llamaserver.

I learned:
- site search early and often; Niefel needs to find cheap researchers and astral mages to protect from Mind Hunts
- think about how to deal with SCs. Everz threw some tough Tartarians and AQs that tore through me
- don't make a lame pretender (I had a sage with 3e1s - don't even remember what I was thinking when I designed that crapola. Would have loved a bless)
- be good to your friends; I stayed true to all my allies and that probably would have been helpful if the fight had continued on
- develop a research plan � I was all over the place
- I think the only thing that helped me was Niefel is pretty tough and a good nation for noobs
- Always cast a few Wolven Winters prior to a Niefel invasion � pretty funny to watch your enemies freeze

I plan to organize a unique type of game soon on Llamaserver. Details to come.

Cheers, DC of Niefel

[llamabeast]

Oh dear, what a big debacle.

Well, I am of course happy to continue running the game if either everz or DC change their mind and want to carry on after the heat of the moment has passed. Also I'm content to believe that everz didn't know it was considered an exploit and was just very clever - so props to him for that. Still I will ban it in future games. I'm very sorry you were offended by this ruckus everz.

Tuidjy, your comments here were unhelpfully accusatory and offensive. I wish you hadn't posted, you made things feel much worse. Please don't in future.

Hope everyone's not too annoyed about this, it's an unfortunate way for a game to end. And of course I hope you all enjoyed the game!

[lch]

DonCorazon said:
If there are no counters then it seems it just is a race to research artifacts / summon tartarians.

Damn, he discovered the secret! Quick, get the thought police!

Somehow I think that people are overreacting about this. As DonCorazon pointed out himself, he would probably have lost regardless of this. Endgame pretty much consists of finding and using deadlocks which other players are unable to get out of. This specific case might be exploiting a game mechanic, but so are lots of other things. Finding a good combo is the bread and butter of this game. Retreating before the script runs out is frowned upon, but I'd give it the benefit of doubt and assume that the interaction with armor of virtue was not planned. Even if it was, waiting a few more turns would hardly have affected the outcome.

I remember some heated discussions and angry mails from some old games of mine, and compared to this it's surprising to see people quitting like this. You dropped a brick, no problem with that. Consider it a coming of age and do it differently in the next game.

[Wokeye]

If Everz and DC want to play on I'll also play on, but otherwise I think the game is really over.

Regardless of the events of last turn, Everz was going to stomp us all. He had 3x the research of the rest of us, all the good unique items made and equipped on his army of tartarians - where the rest of us were at/just out of mid game.

I have no hesitation in conceding victory. He played well. I enjoyed the game immensely, but was not looking forward to the being broken as one of two TC enemies next in line after Neifel.

Thanks for hosting Llamabeast!

[DonCorazon]

Just to clarify since this story seems to be getting picked up across the boards...

I was getting my *** handed to me by Everz even before the now legendary power move. I was like the Taliban going holy crap what is happening as the bombs fell from planes I couldn't even see...

So I would have likely been going AI even without the power move. Then that wiped out my last viable army so there wasn't much reason for me to continue on. Because of my own noobness / stupidity / lack of foresight (whatever you want to call it), I had developed no counters to his advanced research and legions of powerhouse fighters. Certainly nothing to prevent the power move. Lesson learned. I will definitely be focusing on SCs, artifacts, mind hunts, all that good stuff in my future games.

I didn't expect all the fall out - didn't mean to cut the game short, but didn't hear anyone strongly wishing to continue. Certainly didn't mean for Everz to retire.

I had a blast, I learned a lot, I am ready to try again.

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