PBW "newbie game" - Page 23

Dragonlord · #**221** July 21st, 2001, 05:03 AM

Beedee, I'm sorry, I guess 'm just more of an agressive schemer than you are :-)
No hard feelings? I sure don't want to get a reputation of a backstabbing schemer, I'm in another PBW game with 10 humans (now 5 left) and you can check there that I always stick with my allies. Although in that game I am now on the receiving end of allied betrayal... Hmm I did scheme there against my neighbor though, with two other humans against him. But he was just being too naive to trust me too far.. One thing I learned from that other PBW game is the concept of "checkerboard alliances" meaning that in such a crowded galaxy, your neighbors are your natural enemies, while the next neighbor over is your natural ally, and you always try to scheme with the next guy (so position 1 and 3 in a 1-2-3 line-up, cosmo-graphically) against number 2.

Oh, two more small things came to mind about Newbie II: BD, you complained about the destruction of a Xiati homeworld. But I just checked, for instance in Lundra there are two gas giants with 4000+ population, presumably ex-Eee homeworlds, under your control. If I click on them, I can't see of which race the population is made up...
So in the case of the homeworld in Tyrik, for all I know it contained Irra-nur settlers (which were an acceptable target within our role-playing constraints).

You also mentioned earlier you did not buy my excuse for the war declaration, the "military coup" that went on within the Dragon regime. I was trying to set up the roleplaying for that earlier, hoping I had given you enough hints. Remember the Messages about a faction in my government being pissed off at you for "policing the galaxy" ? And that I was barely able to keep them in line? That was a prelude to the military coup :-)

Oh and if score wasn't important to you, weren't you playing to win? What was your ultimate goal (outside of roleplaying) for this game?

I must say, you roleplayed well, consistently, and it was a great deal of fun. I have never spent so much time sending lengthy Messages to other players. I hope you enjoyed that as well, and once again, I hope there are no hard feelings. (No sore losers :-) We can start a new game where you can hand me my head on a platter

BeeDee10 · #**222** July 21st, 2001, 05:59 AM

Oh, no hard feelings. I guess it's imposible not to feel a _little_ miffed when after 20 days or so of work one's empire gets trashed so quickly and completely, but in the final analysis it's just a game. Well played.

The Xiati world was large with an oxygen atmosphere. If it was inhabited by Irha-Nrr, it would have been a domed colony and could only have held a population of 960M. But there were about 4000M present, so they couldn't have been Irha-Nrr. I guess it's an understandable oversight, but it happened to be an Irha-Nrr emotional hot button. When those people were wiped out was when I rolled over and gifted you everything; the Irha-Nrr would do anything to protect those lives, including surrender.

Probably why the Tzeech figured that planet was of such strategic importance to me.

The thing I "didn't buy" about the coup was that the general who took charge afterward was the one who was wholly responsible for the attack on my territory; it was clear you'd massed those fleets on the borders for a while previously (including in Vintidrin right after we'd agreed to make it a demilitarized buffer

). I'm assuming of course that you were laying the blame for it on him; if not, then the misunderstanding was mine.

As for my goal, it was only what the Irha-Nrr had been spouting off about to everyone the entire time; I just wanted everyone to live in peace with each other and not commit genocides and stuff.

Now that the surprise of my stunning defeat has worn off, I think things wound up ending quite well all things considered. I've developed the "character" of the Irha-Nrr quite a bit more in this game than I did in all my previous single-player ones, and I think that in my next revision of them I'm going to record the events of this game in their general history.

It would probably have wound up a bit of an anticlimactic ending if we'd just mopped up the AIs and then run out the clock, after all. I'm just sorry I wasn't prepared enough to provide more fireworks in the finale.

Dragonlord · #**223** July 21st, 2001, 07:36 AM

Guys, I am confused now.
Are we continuing the Newbie II game or not?
Cause it will be a boring drag to micromanage the 25 or so planets I just got from BD, every single one of them scrapped till nothing was left standing on it

Phoenix, I assume you offered the Partnership treaty just so you can take a look at my empire?
Didn't you say you put the Certadsh and Irrh nur races on AI control?

Lost Dragon

BeeDee10 · #**224** July 21st, 2001, 08:34 AM

Heh heh heh. I wasn't about to have you _profit_ so easily from your attack on me.

I'm a little confused too, perhaps we should take the discussion to the game's forum over on PBW? The strategy discussion seems to be dying down now.

CaptSpoogy · #**225** July 21st, 2001, 03:16 PM

Man, do you know what happened to Slargos in Newbie I? It's been more than 24hrs and I would like to get some turns in while I can...

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Dragonlord · #**226** July 21st, 2001, 07:29 PM

Spoogy, I've been wondering about same in Newbie I...maybe he gave up?
Why didn't the turn get auto-processed when we went over the deadline?

Phoenix-D · #**227** July 21st, 2001, 07:59 PM

Newbie 2- don't ask me what's going on, the AI's running the show. You're free to give up, obviously

Newbie 1- I goofed with the turn settings; it wasn't on automatic. It is now.

Phoenix-D

Dragonlord · #**228** July 21st, 2001, 09:13 PM

Phoenix, in Newbie II, your empire is indeed listed as "dead" meaning the AI took over for you. BD still seems to be in the game. Weird thing is, all three remaining players have uploaded their turns but it is not automatically processed...

Still not sure if we should bother to continue with this game. Beedee? General ? What do you think?

Phoenix-D · #**229** July 21st, 2001, 09:20 PM

ARG! It keeps "undeading" me

Phoenix-D

Dragonlord · #**230** July 22nd, 2001, 04:44 AM

Can we all agree to stop sending in turns for Newbie II? I just sent in a turn but spent 5 minutes on it rather than the usual 40. It's no fun anymore now that my main opponent has given up.
Phoenix, if all agree, close the game.

I'm all for starting a discussion on the next (semi?)newbie game though. How would you like to see Newbie 3 configured, how would you change your race, etc. ?