MP Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph! - Page 20

Hadrian_II · #**191** June 14th, 2009, 01:04 PM

if there are too much players in the vet secion, i would go alternate

namad · #**192** June 14th, 2009, 01:49 PM

melnorjr:

your grounds for dismal are incorrect as it does not state anything about the method or manner in which the alternates would receive their bonus only that they would receive one. the first time septimus commented on this was to say what he said, as far as i know.

anyways... I do not think this is an especially stern point of negotiation that the vet team cares about....

it is however in poor taste to complain only after I have selected my nation instead of before I claimed it (there was a day or two in there between when septimus suggested his policy and i was awarded the nation during which no one said a word)... as in the past day I've already begun trying to psyche myself up to play ashdod ( there's a lot of pressure to be the worst vet and have the first vet pick ) not to mention qm just nerfed a few of my favorite spells for being too badass!

everyone:

I encourage everyone to post at least once on their private forums if only to say something like "this game sounds like it will be fun but I don't really have anything new to add in terms of nation selection opinion" just to reassure your team that you do intend to play... I further encourage everyone to post their nation selection opinions otherwise we might get stuck using atul's opinions for all of us!

atul · #**193** June 14th, 2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by namad

otherwise we might get stuck using atul's opinions for all of us!

You make it sound like it would be a bad thing.

But yeah, please post something in the forums even if it's "dunno". I know everyone can play any nation the team wants them to, but some input would be nice. It isn't a dictatorship (I hope).

melnorjr · #**194** June 14th, 2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by namad

melnorjr:

your grounds for dismal are incorrect as it does not state anything about the method or manner in which the alternates would receive their bonus only that they would receive one. the first time septimus commented on this was to say what he said, as far as i know.

It doesn't say what manner of bonus the alternates would recieve no. However, it simply rubs me wrong to be promised something, (noobs have first pick) then have that turned around and given to somebody else, because it is later decided that they will get first pick. Further, my point about the noob alternate still stands. if noobs were to get first pick, then it is decided that alternates would get first pick, it would seem most fair to give the first pick to the noob alternate.

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it is however in poor taste to complain only after I have selected my nation instead of before I claimed it (there was a day or two in there between when septimus suggested his policy and i was awarded the nation during which no one said a word)...

I apologize for this. I was unaware that you were given first pick days ago. However, I haven't been following this thread that closely(I'm sometimes fairly busy, and I don't get e-mails alerts from this forum) and it was just now mentioned to me that a vet had picked a nation already, and had gotten the first pick.
as a request, please keep opinions about my taste, poor or otherwise, to yourself.

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as in the past day I've already begun trying to psyche myself up to play ashdod ( there's a lot of pressure to be the worst vet and have the first vet pick ) not to mention qm just nerfed a few of my favorite spells for being too badass!

For the record, I want to state that I object to being promised something, coming to expect it, and having it taken away, whether it is first pick, or anything else. It is obviously unfair.

However, to take Ashdod away from you at this point would be effectively the same thing, so I will not push the issue.

namad · #**195** June 14th, 2009, 04:25 PM

i was promised a good pick before the last game even ended... let alone before anyone even suggested using the ranked list system...
so your claim of "first"hood isn't exactly accurate either (not to mention it seems like unoptimized has simply quit invalidating the argument even further)
additionally i believe i myself have suggested before in some medium that i did not think anyone should get any preferential treatment despite myself being included in getting it (although maybe that was on irc and not matter of public record or maybe it was in the previous games forum?)...

anyways... I do not choose to reserve my opinion on your taste as it simply is poor. You rationalize that something you were promised (even assuming you had been promised it) should invalidate something I was promised, given, and received.

if septimus agrees with you I do not care but ... your claims that you were entitled to something so pointless and irrelevant and never actually offered to you is just infuriating ... this post is pretty inflammatory so if you are a forum-mod feel free to delete it... by tomorrow i'll have cooled down but it will probably be too late to use the edit function then? (or will it?)

honestly at this point my only concern is that we actually have 18players because i'm worried we do not and anything any admin can do to make sure we end up with 18players is whatever I think they should do (and i know that none of the vets will choose to play or not play in regards to this topic including myself)

chrispedersen · #**196** June 14th, 2009, 04:47 PM

If you can't find enough players to make the game, I'll pick up a position, although you would probably put me as an alternate in any case.

melnorjr · #**197** June 14th, 2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by namad

i was promised a good pick before the last game even ended... let alone before anyone even suggested using the ranked list system...
so your claim of "first"hood isn't exactly accurate either (not to mention it seems like unoptimized has simply quit invalidating the argument even further)
additionally i believe i myself have suggested before in some medium that i did not think anyone should get any preferential treatment despite myself being included in getting it (although maybe that was on irc and not matter of public record or maybe it was in the previous games forum?)...

May I ask that you look at my post count? How long do you suppose I've been a member of this forum, to have knowledge of things that happened I don't even know how long ago?

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anyways... I do not choose to reserve my opinion on your taste as it simply is poor. You rationalize that something you were promised (even assuming you had been promised it) should invalidate something I was promised, given, and received.

Finish reading my last post. I said, having a better understanding of the situation after my first post, that it would be just as unfair to take Ashdod away from you now, so your latest allegation is obviously wrong. You accuse me of poor taste on the assumption that I knew things that I did not know.

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if septimus agrees with you I do not care but ... your claims that you were entitled to something so pointless and irrelevant and never actually offered to you is just infuriating

I was never offered first pick, but the noob team was promised it. this is a matter of public record, as it is in the opening post of the first page of this thread. subsequent to that, this privilege was taken from the noobs and given to you. Being one of the noobs, this is unfair to me. but as I said, I do not wish for Ashdod to be taken away from you, as it would be just as unfair to do that.

Now would you please stop insulting me for not knowing things that I have no reason to know, and leave the topic alone? As far as I am concerned, it is well over and done with, and dredging it up further for no purpose other than to insult me actually would be poor taste.

Hoplosternum · #**198** June 14th, 2009, 07:12 PM

I love team games

Unfortunately I am not really a noob or a vet otherwise I would love to play

But I am fairly rubbish at mp. Especially at MA

So maybe I could be considered as a noob or an alternate for them?

Lingchih · #**199** June 14th, 2009, 11:52 PM

So, let's have a game.

Septimius Severus · #**200** June 15th, 2009, 01:20 AM

Melnorj and namad there is no need for this bickering. We've other things to think about now.

Melnorj, you are right that it is stated that the noobs were to have first choice in the ordered list process, but it is also stated and has always been the case that returning alternates would recieve priority in nation selection before everyone else. It is a NvV tradition.

Our returning alternates from both teams were given an equal chance to respond with their nation choices, namad responded first when the process was officially begun and thus was awarded it. Unoptimized has not responded to my PM's as of yet, so he may have flaked out altogether. I hope not, but in any event lets move forward now. I don't like it anymore than you melnorj, but I gave my word. Lets us move forward.