[Newbie PBW] Master of Orion 3

[Unknown_Enemy]

He meant, "what procedures are you going to have for finding replacements if and when people drop out of the game? What will be done with turn processing while looking for replacements? etc."

DUUUUHHHH !
I will evaluate the position of his empire. If it is hopeless, I will mark it as dead. If not, I would say we'll wait a max of 3 days while advertising to find areplacement. If no replacement come out you'll have another AI to trample.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:

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He meant, "what procedures are you going to have for finding replacements if and when people drop out of the game? What will be done with turn processing while looking for replacements? etc."

DUUUUHHHH !
I will evaluate the position of his empire. If it is hopeless, I will mark it as dead. If not, I would say we'll wait a max of 3 days while advertising to find areplacement. If no replacement come out you'll have another AI to trample.

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Fyron got it right.

Possibly our host hasn't read the postings in the Newbie Galactic Conflict threads.

In a nutshell, the game was cancelled because of 7 or 8 players had the same IP addresses in Russia. Most of them came into the game as replacement players.

The evidence points to one or more players running 2 or more empires. This is clearly illegal.

But there is another aspect of the game which is not normally addressed. The replacement player can be encouraged to join by another player for the purpose of forming an alliance against others. This is not illegal but is considered by most players to be improper. The fact that the two empires are located side by side makes them a very powerful alliance.

I was blockaded in a corner by such a powerful alliance and I really do not want to repeat the experience. And, I wasn't the only one, apparently the Fiery Gekhos found themselves in the same position.

A much fuller explantion of this phenomina is given in the Newbie Galactic Conflict threads.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Hmm...
Most of the time, there will be alliances in the game. It is a vital part of the game.

If an alliance decided in game cornered you and killed you, well I am sorry to hear but that's the game. The only problem I would see is that you could be cornered so easily. Problem of player placement then.

On the newbie galactic conflict problem, I am afraid if it cannot be detected by the email adresses, then it is a game killer. Any suspicious behavior should be reported ASAP.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:
Hmm...
Most of the time, there will be alliances in the game. It is a vital part of the game.

If an alliance decided in game cornered you and killed you, well I am sorry to hear but that's the game. The only problem I would see is that you could be cornered so easily. Problem of player placement then.

On the newbie galactic conflict problem, I am afraid if it cannot be detected by the email adresses, then it is a game killer. Any suspicious behavior should be reported ASAP.

Yes, alliances are part of the game. And a fun part of the game too. I like the diplomatic aspects of it.

But as I pointed out in the NGC thread, there is a fundamental difference between an original player and a replacement player.

An original player has to take the "luck of the draw" of placement. So, two players who want to enter into a symbiotic alliance may find themselves separated by other empires and thereby unable to have an effective alliance.

Not so, with a replacement player. Stalin and I found ourselves with an abandoned empire positioned besides our oun. Stalin and the replacement player live in Russia and Stalin admitted he knows the replacement player.

It is possible the replacement player was not a warm body.

But warm body or not, an empire with whom I had a good relationship, immediately turned into an implacable enemy.

Now, this could happen with a "non-aligned" player. But it is virtually certain to happen if I do not have good relations with the original player of the symbiotic alliance who is willing to use unfair means to win.

Essentially there is no randomness of the placing of the replacement player as there is with the original players.

Now, I have a choice. I could do the same thing as Stalin when a replacement player is needed.

That would be improper. And I choose not to win by unfair means.

But I also have no desire to lose by improper means.

[Unknown_Enemy]

But honestly, I think you went into a bit of bad luck. We do not get such cheaters very often. Most of the time cheating someone is just another word for deceiving/lying on the diplomatic part of the game (Copyright Kutuzov, PBW Paranoia TM ). I'll try to be very careful on replacement players, but should your cheater have been a bit more careful, he would have stormed the game without any possibility for you to understand what was going on.

Last, I prefer a max of 10 players. You have less dropout then.

PS : Atrocities, you are NOT a newbie.

[Unknown_Enemy]

Now fill that game players !

[Ron Coit]

Forgive my ignorance, but I have never played a pbw game before.

Anyways, I have two questions

1. Is it acceptable to play one of the standard races from the TDM-ModPack and just put my password on it or should I make my own from scratch?

2. If I do make my own how do you know what ship set I am using from the emp file?

Thanks

Ron

PS: The pbw server appears to be down, so I can add a race just yet.

[ March 20, 2003, 20:16: Message edited by: Ron Coit ]

[Unknown_Enemy]

Welcome aboard Ron Coit, as this game has been made especially for people new to PBW, there is nothing to forgive.

1 You can do both. Take a race from TDM, or create a new one from scrap. As you want.

2 You will tell us !

Let's assume you will create a race. When you are done, you will save it in a new file.

After being accepted on the game, you will have a button to upload your empire file. Pressing that button will bring you to a screen in which you will be able to
a - upload your empire
b - fill your password for the PBW system
c - indicate which shipset you are using

This is the easiest way to do it.

But it is very important to read the PBW FAQ. Some good people did put lots of efforts in it, and lots of useful informations.

[Unknown_Enemy]

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[Cyrien]

I would be willing to play. I have only done one other PWB game with original SE4. Only one question.

About how long would you expect this game to Last time wise... how many months etc... had to quit Last game due to big move and might have similiar several months into the future.