Does Temple Boost Holy for Call God?

[JonBrave]

Originally Posted by shatner

... This means that an H2 priest praying with a temple generates candles at the same efficacy as a dom-9 temple... which is much more effective than your dom-4 or dom-5 temples are doing.

I (think I) got it up till there, then I lose you Why is the priest as effective as a dom-9 temple?

[shatner]

Originally Posted by JonBrave

Only in a friendly province?
So if I conquer a province with unfriendly dominion, stick up a temple next turn and start preaching, do I not get some kind of bonus for the preaching?

The boost applies in friendly, hostile and neutral dominion. While I don't have the manual in front of me at the moment, the odds of a priest successfully raising dominion are (Holy Level) * 30 - (5 * enemy dominion)... though I could be misremembering the 5 and it's actually a 10. Assuming I remember correctly, that means an H1 priest praying in neutral or friendly dominion has a 30% chance of raising the dominion in that province by 1. If that province had a temple then the priest would be considered an H2 giving them a 60% chance of success. Therefore, an H2 with a temple praying in -4 dominion (that is, the province has 4 black candles) has a 3*30% - 4*5% = 70% chance of raising the dominion in that province by 1 (which means reducing the enemy dominion in that province down to 3). Priests with the inquisition ability get to double their holy level when attempting to pray away hostile dominion (so Marignon's High Inquisitor counts as a whopping H6 when reducing enemy dom).

Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Originally Posted by JonBrave

I (think I) got it up till there, then I lose you Why is the priest as effective as a dom-9 temple?

To clarify, when I say a dom-9 temple, I mean a temple operating when your nation's dominion is 9 (so when you created your pretender and set your scales, you set your dom score to be 9 in this example).

Your odds of a temple generating a candle are 10*dom. If you have a dom of 1 then each temple has a 10% chance of generating a candle each turn, while a dom of 10 has a 100% chance of generating a candle each turn.

An H2 priest with a temple has a 90% chance of raising the dominion in that province making their dom-generation just as effective as a dom-9 temple (which also has a 90% chance of generating a candle).

Of course, a priest can only generate candles in the province they are praying in, whereas the candles from temples, prophets and pretenders can (and often do) "flow" into adjacent provinces.

[TigerBlood]

page 92 of the manual covers the basics of preaching, temple checks and dominions spread if you want to look into it further. There are some inaccuracies in the book regarding the 'flow' of dominion from one province to another, but it spells out the effects of holy levels and preaching, as well as the influence of temples.

Some of the guides and testing results for blood sacrifice may also be useful reading if you want to learn more about dominion spread.

[JonBrave]

1. OK, so the poster was wrong when he said priests only boost in friendly, good.

2.
>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

3.
>>Of course, a priest can only generate candles in the province they are praying in, whereas the candles from temples, prophets and pretenders can (and often do) "flow" into adjacent provinces.

Yes, I understand your clarification. I was thinking of the dom-9 flowing.

[shatner]

Originally Posted by JonBrave

2.
>>Also, a priest can only raise the dominion up to their 2x(holy level), meaning that H1 can't raise the dom above 2, unless there's a temple, in which case they can raise it up to 4.

Up to 3, surely? The temple +1 comes after the 2x(holy level), not before?

No, the +1 bonus is to the priest's effective holy level while praying and since the maximum dom a priest's prayer can raise a province to is 2x(holy level), the +1 is multiplied by the 2x as well. In other words, for the purposes of determining prayer success, an H1 priest with a temple is treated identically to an H2 priest without a temple.

[thejeff]

I think the "friendly" distinction really meant "owned".
That is, a stealth preacher in enemy territory does not have his H level boosted by enemy temples.

At least I don't think so. I haven't tested that.

[JonBrave]

Originally Posted by shatner

No, the +1 bonus is to the priest's effective holy level while praying and since the maximum dom a priest's prayer can raise a province to is 2x(holy level), the +1 is multiplied by the 2x as well. In other words, for the purposes of determining prayer success, an H1 priest with a temple is treated identically to an H2 priest without a temple.

Ummm, pp.94--95 seems to me quite clear on this? Level 2 guy == 2 x 2 + 1 for temple == 5, not 6. So your level #1 guy should be 1 x 2 + 1 == 3?

[JonBrave]

Originally Posted by thejeff

That is, a stealth preacher in enemy territory does not have his H level boosted by enemy temples.

LOL, no, didn't expect his temples to support our faith!

[TigerBlood]

Originally Posted by JonBrave

1. OK, so the poster was wrong when he said priests only boost in friendly, good.

I never claimed that you could not preach in enemy provinces.

I said that preaching in a friendly province with a temple had a greater effect. Am I wrong?

[Squirrelloid]

Its not clear to me if preaching on top of a sieged fort with a temple in it lets you benefit from the temple or not.

You cannot blood sacrifice from it (tested).