Egyptian OOB v5.5 - Page 2

Pibwl · #1 June 9th, 2011, 08:15 PM

I've browsed through Egyptian OOB and I have some corrections or suggestions:

#001 PT-76 - according to Russian Bronekollektsya book on PT-76, Egypt received them only in 1966, what is generally confirmed by Steven Zaloga's Concord Tank Battles of Mid-East Wars (then, it would most likely be only PT-76B variant, produced since 1959, not PT-76). Would need a date change in formation 008.

#005 Vickers Mk.VIb - I don't know if armament of two Bren CMG is deliberate, but standard tanks were armed with 0.5in Vickers (not present in a file - somehow worse, than 0.5in Browning) and #73 Vickers CMG in a common armoured mantlet

#006 Vickers Mk.VIc - secondary weapon should be #72 7.9mm Besa CMG, not Vickers CMG

#007 M22 Locust - I have no info on Egyptian tanks, but I've read, that only few Locusts were fitted with LittleJohn adaptor - standard was #226 37mm M5 Gun (named M6 in this variant), with AP and HE ammo. I don't think, that such scarce tanks with Littlejohn went to Egypt, and their ammunition was sure not popular. A photo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M2...st-negba-2.jpg shows a captured tank without adaptor.

#11 Matilda Mk.II - size might be 4, comparing to Valentine (3)

#22, 23 T-54B - according to Zaloga, Egypt had T-54A, and only before 1973 they started to be fitted with (German) IR searchlights (on a photo). No mention there on T-54B in Egyhptian service. First T-54s were bought even before 1956 (probably few).

#23 T-54B - I suggest to change picture to 7502 (as #22 unit), since it's a photo of specific Egyptian variant, while 11120 is used by many countries and may be replaced with other photo of non-Egyptian tank in the future.

#28 T-62 - according to a table in Zaloga's New vanguard 158 on T-62, Egypt received them in 1971, not 1970.
On a well-known photo of a column of Egyptian T-62s withdrawing in 1973, they have no AAMGS.

#57 BTR-152K - undoubtedly basic Egyptian variant was open top BTR-152 (possibly in export variant BTR-152E1). I haven't find confirmation, if they used hardtop BTR-152K at all (it was produced from 1957 anyway). Better photo of hardtop is 29107.

#66 BTR-50PK - according to Russian Bronekollektsya on PT-76, Egypt received them only in 1966, not 60.

#69, 70 BMP-1 - they should have 9M14 Malyutka missiles (#146), not 9M17 and carry only 4 missiles.

#81 240mm Mortar - proper pic is 11171 (current is 160 mm mortar)

#88 PKM MMG Section should have pic 45377

#94 25 Pdr FG - icon should be 650

#96 122mm M38 FG - it's a detail, but better icon is 59 with shorter barrel.

#99 152mm D-1 FH - possibly better icon is 65 with shorter barrel

#110 B10 Recoilless - proper pic is 29215 or 29396

#114, 124 etc SA-342 Gazelle - size should be 2 IMO (it is smaller, than Mi-2 with size 3 and AH-64, with size 2(!)). Better icon for #116 is 964 (without pods)

#116 Mil Mi-6A - correct pic is 11177. Size could possibly be 5. I've found no info about armed Mi-6.

#143 Yakovlev 11 - better name is Yak-11 (or Yakovlev Yak-11).

#144 MiG-15bis - as a standard, MiG-15 didn't carry any rockets (there isn't known any special Egyptian modification, as in case of MiG-17). It could take two bombs 100 kg.

#145 MiG-17F - it could not carry 4 bombs (unless there was some special modification). It could however take two bombs 100 or even 250 kg.

#146 MiG-17PF - as a standard, MiG-17 didn't carry S-5 rocket pods (40 rockets is also improbable). It is known however, that the Egyptians modified MiG-17 to carry 8 x 76 mm rockets (probably of Western origin).

#147 MiG-19S - according to MiG-19 Farmer In Action, MiG-19S were delivered from 1958 (not 1961). It could take 2x 250 kg bombs.

#148 MiG-19SF - better name is just MiG-19S - Russian sources (and In Action book) don't recognize SF variant. First were available from 1958 as above. There should be only 4 shots for rockets 57mm (4x8 rockets).

#151, 152 - MiG-23BN - According to a Russian book "MiG-27", deliveries started only from mid-74. They should have FC=15 (laser RF etc)

151 - it could carry 4x32 57 mm rockets, so the weapons should be given 11, 11 and 10 shots (practical minimum was 2x32 and 2x16, with all weapons with 8 shots). Or a weapon should be changed to 8x57 mm S-5, from a Soviet oob, with 6,5,5 shots.

#153, 154 MiG-27 - Egypt didn't use them. They could be renamed to MiG-23BN (comments as above) - 4x500 kg bombs is OK (it could carry even 6). Picture 11143, FC=15.

#155 Su-7BMK - variant with 96 rockets (6 hardpoints) was produced from 1969 and they could be probably delivered to Egypt not sooner, than in 1972 batch. According to a Polish article on Su-7, all Egyptian Su-7 were withdrawn by 1979 after getting worn.

There should be created another Su-7BMK with 64 rockets (minus one weapon #186) - first delivered to Egypt in 4/67 (not 1/64).

#156 Su-7UM - it should be renamed Su-7BMK, and it could take 4 bombs 500 kg (without external tanks). Used from 4/67 until probably 1979 (see above). UM (correctly UMK) was a trainer variant with maximum bomb load 2x250 kg.

#157 Su-20 - It could additionally take two bombs 250 kg (in fact, a batch of Su-17 was delivered to Egypt in 1972, while similar more numerous Su-20 from 1973).

#158 Su-20 - I can't verify if Egypt received Kh-23 missiles before turning to Western equipment. USSR was reluctant to sell guided missiles to the Third World in the 1970s.

There could be created Su-20 with 128 rockets S-5 (4x32), used from 1973 (three weapons #186 4x57mm with 11, 11, 10 shots or weapons 8x57mm taken from the Russian oob).

(in case of changes, some prices would need tweaking)

#161, 162 L-29 Delfin, L-39 Albatros - they should have size 3 like in the Czech oob and like #163 L-59 Albatros

#252 Boyes Carrier - according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyes_Anti-tank_Rifle correct spelling is Boys - for all weapons and countries.

#254 GM Otter Mk.I - I wonder, if it should have top armour 0, since it only had a very small opening upon a turret. It might have also Boys AT-rifle.

#258 BA-64 - size should definitely be 2 - it was very compact car. On the other hand, Humber and Otter in slots above and #259 Marm-Herr IVF were quite high and should have size 3 (I've made several comparison drawings of vehicles for game purpose, if anyone's interested)

#265 17 Pdr AT-Gun - better icon might be 60 due to long barrel.

#330,331 JSU-152 - correct name should be ISU-152

#345 GAZ Shmel - better name would be GAZ Shmel 2P26 (original designation of vehicle). They had no space for reloads - only 4 missiles.

#350 - BRDM-1 Falanga - according to this Russian page http://cris9.narod.ru/rva_2p32.htm there are no reports on their export. No other signs, that they were ever exported.

Apart from #351 BRDM 2-Malutka, Egypt might also have used 9P133 BRDM-2 Malyutka-P launchers with Malyutka-P missiles (eg. weapon 155 in Polish OOB).

#485 BRDM-1 - BRDM-1s were rarely armed with 12.7 mm DShk, what is confirmed by photos (it concerns all countries, I have no specific information on Egyptian ones). Zaloga wrote, that "some Soviet" BRDM-1s were armed this way. Most should be armed only with SGMT (precisely saying, AAMG variant was named SGMB).

#502 PKM MMG should have pic 45377

#562, 564 BM-21 Grad - they were used in the USSR from 1965, so in Egypt they could appear in some 1966. Better photo of a standard vehicle is 11033.

Proposed units:

- Humber LRC III - as #258 BA-64 but armed in 48 Bren and possibly 243 Boys AT-rifle, equipped with smoke mortar (similar Otter has 6 SD), size 2, available from 1/46 to some 1950s, speed 97 km/h (32?), armour hull front = 2, pic - ? (I can provide)

- OT-62 with Tarasnice recoilles gun - #56 from Czech oob, icon possibly 2237 (although it's green), used in 1973

- 130mm M-51 MRL - #163 from Czech oob, used in 1973 (weapon #201)

- BTR-152 - with open top, instead of (or beside) 057

Weapons:

#53 SGMT AAMG - real name for AAMG tank variant was SGMB (for all countries)