undead question

[Finalgenesis]

Also, Shadow brand's weapon effect is leeching darkness, with the difference in that it doesn't persist and acts instantly.

[thejeff]

Really? I haven't checked in awhile, but I remember Shadow Brand not working on undead. Or at least not on lifeless undead.

On a similar note, does Life for a Life works on undead (or lifeless undead, if there's a difference)?

[Makinus]

Originally Posted by thejeff

Really? I haven't checked in awhile, but I remember Shadow Brand not working on undead. Or at least not on lifeless undead.

On a similar note, does Life for a Life works on undead (or lifeless undead, if there's a difference)?

Yes, there is a difference, not all undead are lifeless (a majority is tough) and not all lifeless are undead.

[thejeff]

I know there is a difference, that's why I mentioned it. Does the difference make a difference in this case?

[brxbrx]

Originally Posted by thejeff

I know there is a difference, that's why I mentioned it. Does the difference make a difference in this case?

various immunities, and certain spells targeting one or the other.

think of a corpse with it's heart still beating. think of the frankenstein monster (not the corpse-construct found in-game); that would be a great example of a non-lifeless undead.

[thejeff]

Yes. I know.

That doesn't speak to "this case". Which was, from my original question:

Shadow Brand/Leeching Darkness and Life for a Life.

I have memories of Shadow Brands not working on undead and was wondering if I was wrong or if lifeless was actually the distinction.

[brxbrx]

Life for a Life
"Lifeless beings are immune to this spell, everyone else will take severe and irresistible damage from it"
this is found in the spell's in-game description. Maybe next time you should try looking there first?

As for leeching darkness, there is nothing that indicates whether anyone has an immunity to it, so you may as well assume it will work on the lifeless and the living dead.

[thejeff]

Thanks for that. I'd looked in the manual, but it didn't specify. The in-game descriptions are often not that specific.

I'll have to test Leeching Darkness when I get the chance.

[Soyweiser]

I tested leeching darkness on the MA_Ermor reanimate horsemen, and it did damage them. So it works on both undead and lifeless units. (iirc the horsemen are both).

[brxbrx]

Originally Posted by Soyweiser

I tested leeching darkness on the MA_Ermor reanimate horsemen, and it did damage them. So it works on both undead and lifeless units. (iirc the horsemen are both).

unless it only works on both at a time, not one or the other? A cruel twist by the developers? just kidding.