Taking down SCs

[chrispedersen]

Things to look for:

1. Black bows, vineshields, net wielding gladiators. Void eye + soul slay.

First one of the real questions is what is the hinnom bless. I'm guessing he didn't go e9 due to no bracers.

Regardless, as others have alluded, the first key is this SC will have good but not great MR. Black Bowing him will lower his MR by 5, allowing him to be soul slayed.

Set up a screen of net weilding gladiators, Netting him is a way to slow down his killing; I'd attach two thugs preferably with fire resistance and a vineshield or eye shield. I'd also look at either evening star, or star of heros - which ever one does the non resistable strength loss, if this is cbm you might give a hero blade

Spam skellys at him or add a communion with soul slay.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Things to look for:

1. Black bows, vineshields, net wielding gladiators. Void eye + soul slay.

First one of the real questions is what is the hinnom bless. I'm guessing he didn't go e9 due to no bracers.

Regardless, as others have alluded, the first key is this SC will have good but not great MR. Black Bowing him will lower his MR by 5, allowing him to be soul slayed.

Set up a screen of net weilding gladiators, Netting him is a way to slow down his killing; I'd attach two thugs preferably with fire resistance and a vineshield or eye shield. I'd also look at either evening star, or star of heros - which ever one does the non resistable strength loss, if this is cbm you might give a hero blade

Spam skellys at him or add a communion with soul slay.

Evening star Star of heroes wouldn't be bad either actually, if you can land a hit... because then his armor will be broken and his main form of protection would be the shield.

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Good points.
Of course if SCs are a big concern from the beginning of the game Id tend toward something bigger than human. Anything with stealth can be given a black heart. Titan gods work well if you expect to be pushed back to your castle by SCs or Tartarians

If you expect to be pushed back to your capital by tartarians you've lost anyway. So which titan with stealth is it that works well with a black heart against SCs and tartarians? From your mp experience. Or is it all of them?

@Sombre: I have often seen suggestions of including flak armies with SCs altho I understand that a solo SC might be YOUR favorite tactic. And the OP mentioned he was facing Hinnom with Ermor if that helps.

I highly doubt the SCs he's describing have an army with them. If they do, kill or rout the army and the Baal will rout (make sure you cut off his retreat too). Far easier than dealing with the Baal.

[Sombre]

The OP probably doesn't have soul slay since he said it's too early for him to have paralyse ready.

[Fantomen]

Nether bolt/nether darts might work If you haven't got the gems or time to make botox bows.

You can also horror mark him with your astral mages while retreating.

You should have hordes of undead horsemen and skeletons, use them to flesh out your skelespam. Combine with ghost grip.

Set up a reverse communion and have them spam smite. Let the masters cast drain life.

[Gandalf Parker]

Hmm... on checking Ermor vanilla there doesnt seem to be any good choices for pretender one-on-one. Too bad. The deity boost to hit points inside dominion can be tremendous Especially with a pretender that starts high already.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Fantomen

Nether bolt/nether darts might work If you haven't got the gems or time to make botox bows.

You can also horror mark him with your astral mages while retreating.

You should have hordes of undead horsemen and skeletons, use them to flesh out your skelespam. Combine with ghost grip.

Set up a reverse communion and have them spam smite. Let the masters cast drain life.

These countermeasures are a bit late in coming for what he's implying his research level is (might be nice if we actually knew his spell levels), but yes, all of these are viable solutions. You also seem to be assuming MA ermor? He was trying to kill a melqart so he's likely playing ea ermor. No cheap reanimation of horses for him. Doesn't mean he can't still summon them though.

[Warhammer]

Sorry, was away for most of the day.

EA Hinnom vs. EA Ermor Duel on Dawg Biscuit CBM 1.5

Conj 3
Alt 1
Evo 4 (researching 5 for shadown blast)
Con 2
Enc 1
Tha 4 (just got)
Blood 0

I have two Augur Elders with S2, my pretender is F2A3W2E4S4N2D2.

I could, now that it is researched, drop in with my pretender and hit him with Orb Lightning or Thunder Strike.

I guess my question should be more along the lines of how to stop Hinnom that is using a mix of SCs with size 5 tramplers...

[GameExtremist]

I recently won a successful war against Hinnom using Ulm. They too were using chariots with melquarts.

First up - dealing with the tramplers - High Def units like your principe are as good as you going to get in avoiding getting trampled. Def Save Vs Trample. Mass these guys. a 4:1 ratio to each of his chariots absolute minimum. Have them at your back line with "Hold and Attack" orders

Then get some of your F2 mages - as many as you can muster behind the wall of principe casting bonds of fire (Thaumaturgy 2) to slow down the chariot charge, hopefully they arrive in smaller blobs so that your principe can overwhelm them.

I'd try and avoid fighting his main army until you can muster enough principe and F2 mages to beat him, make smaller armies and hit behind his lines if you can, possibly forcing him to split his larger army up again.

I used the same strategy above with Ulm but swap Principe with Shield Maiden and swap F2 mage with E2 mage casting Earth Meld. Once the chariots were gone the Melquarts went down amid a sea of shield maidens.

Good luck!

[Rytek]

you could combine Horror mark and Summon Lamshata to the above tactic to really slow down a big trample army.