RedDawn (PBEM) - Game Over

[ghoul31]

Originally Posted by SciencePro

I’m disappointed in you Ghoul31 for breaking our NAP-3 with no warning.

And I still remember our last game (OperationAnchorage) where you abandoned a big empire to the AI after losing just one battle at the beginning of the game.

If you chose to play this way then that is your choice, but you should realize that people have memories here.

You made peace with me, then you spend the whole game trying to DOM kill me. So you are the once who broke the peace agreement. I have had enough of your lies and BS.

[SciencePro]

I did nothing to violate our NAP and you know it.

Don't blame me because you decided to build 100 useless pans and only 3 temples.

[ghoul31]

Originally Posted by SciencePro

I did nothing to violate our NAP and you know it.

Don't blame me because you decided to build 100 useless pans and only 3 temples.

thats cus I didn't think my ally would try to DOM kill me the whole game . SO F_UCK off already.

[SciencePro]

Originally Posted by ghoul31

SO F_UCK off already.

Sigh... you continue to disappoint me.

[Edi]

Originally Posted by ghoul31

thats cus I didn't think my ally would try to DOM kill me the whole game . SO F_UCK off already.

Tone it down. This kind of attitude and language is totally inappropriate.

Your ally did not even have to try to actively domkill you, because if it is as he says and you only had a handful of temples, the mechanics of the game dictate that your dominion is going to get eaten by those of your neighbors. That's what he's trying to tell you.

Ally or not, you must always defend against their dominion. In that regard, there is no NAP, no truce, only war.

[ghoul31]

Originally Posted by Edi

Your ally did not even have to try to actively domkill you, because if it is as he says and you only had a handful of temples, the mechanics of the game dictate that your dominion is going to get eaten by those of your neighbors. That's what he's trying to tell you.

Ally or not, you must always defend against their dominion. In that regard, there is no NAP, no truce, only war.

I have played like 30 MP games, and I have never had my DOM taken over like that. So it obvious it was an intentional act to wipe me out. When someone is trying to wipe me out, I consider it an act of war. Simple as that.

I have 6 temples and am doing 3 blood sacrificices a turn, and I'm still getting my dominion wiped out. So when he says I only have 3 temples , its a total lie.

[Edi]

Notice that I said IF it is as he says. I have no idea how closely you have read various forum threads on dominion mechanics, but six temples and three blood sacrifices per turn may well not be enough. Starting dominion strength determines a lot of how fast a dominion spreads and the strength of dominion checks, and if he had a significantly higher starting dominion, that may be the cause.

Some of the dominion related issues are anything but straightforward. If you haven't done it yet, now is a good time to read the Bug Shortlist thread. Namely, this post. There's a bright red bug entry there that is eminently relevant to this discussion.

So kindly do not jump to conclusions and spew flames before you have checked out all of the issues.

[SciencePro]

now that i look again i don't have good scouting on your back provinces. I can see the flags but I guess that doesn't mean 100% i can see the temples. So your claim that you built 5 and not 3 may be true. I'm sorry if I jumped to conculsions, I thought that if you saw the flags the temples would pop up on the map filter too.

But building 5 isn't nearly enough. Especially if your base dom strength is less than 10 which i'm guessing yours is. The 20 turns before you attacked me all my slaves have gone to summoning instead of sacrificing. My dominion had hardly spread into Tir's territory at all at that point. Once you started fighting formoria I had every reason to want to keep you around. It wouldn't have made any sense for me to try to dom-kill you and I was trying not hard not to at the cost of spreading my order dominion into my ocean provinces.

But even if I was pumping dom at max speed that isn't a reason to justify breaking a NAP with no warning. If you want to fight me, that is fine. But it's just good sportsmanship to give the three turn notice like you agreed to. This game's rules state diplomacy is non-binding so you aren't required to give notice. But most players would have done so out of courtesy.

[13lackGu4rd]

this isn't the first game in which I notice that ghoul31 suffers from the "everyone is out to get me" syndrome. ghoul31, you really need to relax a bit... paranoia will not help you solve anything, it will only make your current issues much worse. also if you have such problems as a dominion kill against you(intentional or not) you should first talk to the person who you think is doing it to you(especially since you 2 seem to be at peace) than tell him that he's pushing his dominion too hard against you, and that if he won't stop you'll see it as an act of war, or something along those lines... than you'll see whether it was intentional or not to begin with, and if not, as seems to be the case in this situation, than it's more of precautions you need to take, instead of blaming it on your neighbors.

[ghoul31]

Originally Posted by 13lackGu4rd

also if you have such problems as a dominion kill against you(intentional or not) you should first talk to the person who you think is doing it to you(especially since you 2 seem to be at peace) than tell him that he's pushing his dominion too hard against you, and that if he won't stop you'll see it as an act of war, .

Thats exactly what I did, and he just gave me a really rude response.