Questions about soviet artillery and other in game

[Denis_469]

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Article...ar/acv-losses/

And US and Israel tanks losses with reasons: http://krasmana.org/post26618.html

In 1 picture M1A2 destroy by 12,7mm HMG. Anyone can destroy M1A2 in game from 12,7mm MG?

[Wdll]

How can you consider as more trustworthy a video that doesn't show anything but smoke as proof that the RPG 29 can destroy a M1A2 when it hits it on its front armour?
The tank was damaged a bit, but knocked out? Where do you see that? I have also yet to see smoke coming out of the tank. Where is the proof you see because I can't see anything there to support your conclusions.

Seeing those two videos proves nothing because they show nothing but the explosion from the hit and some minor damage at best.

[Denis_469]

As you understand it's real war video, and after launch RPG-29 operator can not made detail video tank and made video what was with crew. Grenade RPG-29 explosion inside tank and for camera all what you can see - you can see. For you may be 1 answer - see where was people with RPG-29 and after lauch grenade tank silence. Before turret is training. If you can see video, so tank not fire against Iraq partisans with RPG-29. As you understand in sich range in front tank nothing was live after unaccesful attack.

[thatguy96]

A lot of the supposed kills by insurgents wielding a wide array of weapons in Iraq were mobility kills, with the vehicles later knocked out (usually by air strikes) to prevent capture of sensitive equipment. A lot of the catastrophic damage can be attributed to this and not the initial attacks.

I wouldn't be any more willing to believe a Georgian with a .50 caliber machine gun had taken out a T-62 if presented with the type of evidence provided here.

[Denis_469]

Originally Posted by thatguy96

A lot of the supposed kills by insurgents wielding a wide array of weapons in Iraq were mobility kills, with the vehicles later knocked out (usually by air strikes) to prevent capture of sensitive equipment. A lot of the catastrophic damage can be attributed to this and not the initial attacks.

I wouldn't be any more willing to believe a Georgian with a .50 caliber machine gun had taken out a T-62 if presented with the type of evidence provided here.

Sorry, my english not good and I not understand about Georgia and T-62.

[Denis_469]

And more - M1A2 destroy by Malutka from BMP-1. Hole you can see near gun.
http://phorum.bratishka.ru/viewtopic.php?t=8258

[Wdll]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

As you understand it's real war video, and after launch RPG-29 operator can not made detail video tank and made video what was with crew. Grenade RPG-29 explosion inside tank and for camera all what you can see - you can see. For you may be 1 answer - see where was people with RPG-29 and after lauch grenade tank silence. Before turret is training. If you can see video, so tank not fire against Iraq partisans with RPG-29. As you understand in sich range in front tank nothing was live after unaccesful attack.

But what you say about smoke from the barrel does not stand! There is no such thing! If it isn't in the video, then how do you know it was there unless it was you who fired the RPG!

The M1A2 does look damaged, but only lightly near the armor over its left track. I do not believe the rpg killed that M1A2.
The second M1A2 looks like it was hit on the back, but again apart from the explosion we do not get to see the actual damage done to the tank. How do we know it was knocked out? Why would I (or you) believe some random anti american post about this?

You are falling into the same trap you accuse people here of falling into. You immediately accuse people here of believing USA propaganda and of blindly supporting USA, but you do the exact same thing for the other side. That is not better!

[Imp]

Not got time to look at the evidence but a few things
You said RPG 29 should be able to defeat Abrahms from the front, guess what in game it can though need a bit of luck. Fail or damage more likely result so its about right. RPG 28 now thats a kill most likely on a hull hit.
As a note not one of these guys answering is American so theres no patriotism here just best guess based on the reliable info available as the whole game is.
The other thing you pointed out was Merkerva Mk4 & ATGMs which I played a lot recently & on the odd occasion you will get a surprise mobility kill so thats not far off either.
You cant seriously think the game is slanted to the West Abrahms or T-90A in game I would say the Russian tank has better battlefield survivability by quite a margin, no soft belly & very good ERA pack on top of the armour

[Marek_Tucan]

Originally Posted by Denis_469

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Article...ar/acv-losses/

What you can see there re. Merk IV are mostly repeated pics of a Merk that shrugged off hit to left turret front and of a Merk that was destroyed by a large explosive device underneath. Oh, and one Merk that lost its gun to a freak hit.

And US and Israel tanks losses with reasons: http://krasmana.org/post26618.html

At least two pics of that set in first post are actually Cojone Eh, that Abrams I was talking about as repeatedly photographed.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...9831&start=270
Immobilised by a hit in the engine compartment, then towed a bit by other Abrams, but that was too slow so abandoned and set on fire by its crew. Subsequently bombed and Mavericked by the USAF.
If you look carefully, others pics are often same vehicle from different views as well, for example the Abrams under overpass.

In 1 picture M1A2 destroy by 12,7mm HMG. Anyone can destroy M1A2 in game from 12,7mm MG?

Tried searching for "12,7" to no avail in all links. I would be sceptical - now if we were talking 30mm APFSDS (which the Iraqis did not have), there might be something as 25mm APFSDS was able to kill a T-72 from flanks and the armor (without protective skirts) is similar.

[Denis_469]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

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Tried searching for "12,7" to no avail in all links. I would be sceptical - now if we were talking 30mm APFSDS (which the Iraqis did not have), there might be something as 25mm APFSDS was able to kill a T-72 from flanks and the armor (without protective skirts) is similar.

You need translate text from russian. Describe destroy write in russian.
And about M1A2 - armore side is 30 mm armore list after skirt and all. 30mm AP shells from BMP-2 can penetrate Abrams 30 mm lists from 500 meters, and SABOT 30-mm shells can penetrate Abrams 30 mm lists from 2000 meters. T-72 (Ural) - first T-72 have side armore is 70 mm armore list and in Iraq no one T-72 not destroy by Bredly from 25-mm gun in hull side or turret side.