Air Farce Follies - Friendly Fire Isn't

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Imp

Could be amusing if had freindly fire but probably need to be country or experince rated. Buy the likes of conscripts less because they are more likely to fire at anything.
To many variables as well happen more if both have air less if yours the only one around. Troops more at range & close up due to jerk reaction.

I'd say experience, country really doesn't matter.
As I understand "experience" is the primary rating of how well trained the troops are, that's why special forces/ranger/guards type units generally get a bonus to their experience and morale in the formations tab.
True, it ALSO represents the "been there, done that" of actual combat experience, but the "national baseline" represents training.
And of course less well trained troops WILL make more mistakes.

On a side note...
In my USMC OOB revision I added a bonus to the experience rating of the aircraft so they average around 85 rather then 80.
Makes a HUGE difference in the number of "friendly fire" incidents. I can actually reliably call in airstrikes using the "real" Marine Corps doctrine - "1 yard per pound" and not blow myself off the map most of the time. Still get friendly fire, but probably less then half as often.

[Imp]

I'd say experience, country really doesn't matter.

In the 1st or 2nd winter exercise vs warsaw pact something like 30% of US casulties were Blue on Blue the Russians could have just gone home & left them to it. Caused to a large degree by poor map reading getting lost & coming back on own lines. Hence the term Blue on Blue or Blue Fire as NATO is blue Warsaw Orange
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[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Imp

In the 1st or 2nd winter exercise vs warsaw pact something like 30% of US casulties were Blue on Blue the Russians could have just gone home & left them to it. Caused to a large degree by poor map reading getting lost & coming back on own lines. Hence the term Blue on Blue or Blue Fire as NATO is blue Warsaw Orange
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Sounds reasonable.
When was this excercise tho?
The US military, particularly the Army was really gutted immediately after WWII. Training sucked, gear sucked, the mid-level officer corps sucked...that's why they had so much trouble when Korea broke out.

Again, I submit it's a matter of training not a "national" thing.

[Imp]

Can't remember read long time back possibly late 70s took a while after WW2 for them to play wargames. Think the US did learn from this they had basicly forgot what they had learnt previously. Took a lot out of Nam to from books read & adopted training based on some European (Israeli?) nations.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

I'd say experience, country really doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Suhiir

On a side note...
In my USMC OOB revision I added a bonus to the experience rating of the aircraft so they average around 85 rather then 80.
Makes a HUGE difference in the number of "friendly fire" incidents.
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Perhaps you could explain the obvious conflict in these two statements ? In one paragraph you say experience " really doesn't matter" and in the next you say increasing in slightly "Makes a HUGE difference"

It either doesn't or it does ( and it does )

Don

[Wdll]

I think he meant that country doesn't matter, but experience does.

Playing as Greece most of the time I don't have many friendly fire incidents. I would say about 1 bombing run in every 10 battles, if that.
I am careful to choose planes depending on the weather. Also, don't place target hex too close to your own troops. I usualy have a min of 20 hexes.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Wdll

I think he meant that country doesn't matter, but experience does.

She, not "he"

Don

[Wdll]

They are all the same to me.

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

If you read what I wrote I was, and do, say COUNTRY doesn't matter - experience does.

Correct. I misread it

Don


NOTE-------------->>>>>>>I noticed too late I had hit the edit button instead of "quote" and that is why this posted ended up this way

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Correct. I misread it

Don


NOTE-------------->>>>>>>I noticed too late I had hit the edit button instead of "quote" and that is why this posted ended up this way

No problem Don.
Feel free to walk on me any time