quickness attack bonus?

[Omnirizon]

wait...

does W9 quickness (extra action) and spell quickness (extra action) stack to give two extra actions, or three actions a turn?

if not, then W9 bless can be awesome, but if you have a nation with W2 mages reliably available, then your better off with something else; in the long run at least. E9 to relieve the extra fatigue incurred, or F9 to give them extra damage to be multiplied by the spell quickness.

[Jazzepi]

W9 quickness is actually only an extra /half/ action. So with quickness you get double, with water bless you 1.5.

I'm not sure if they multiple together, or add, but I do know that they stack.

Jazzepi

[Gregstrom]

I think that both add to a unit's AP/turn - bless adds 50% of base AP and the spell adds +100%.

So a unit with 10 AP base would have 25 AP with both effects active. That means 2 or 3 attack actions a turn, alternating (and less if the unit has to move between attacks).

[Omnirizon]

Gregstrom said:
I think that both add to a unit's AP/turn - bless adds 50% of base AP and the spell adds +100%.

So a unit with 10 AP base would have 25 AP with both effects active. That means 2 or 3 attack actions a turn, alternating (and less if the unit has to move between attacks).

I've done an experiment.

I gave a sacred unit boots of quickness, W9 bless, and cast quickness on them. Their AP was only doubled at maximum, never tripled or quadrupled. I've also had a group of blessed and quickened white ones (typically only one attack) engage an enemy, and I never observed any of them make more than two attack animations.

From this, I conclude that the extra actions are not additive; and that a 100% increase in _both_ AP and number of attacks is the maximum increase.

However, attack and defense were increased by +3 and +7, respectively. So attack and defense increase does stack.

[Gregstrom]

btw, AP and number of attacks are linked as attacking costs a unit its base AP score (according to the manual, at least).

Adding 100% to AP thus allows a unit to attack twice, adding 50% means a unit will attack twice every second round - although in either case, moving around can of course reduce the number of attack actions that may be taken.

[Nikolai]

AP can go over doubled. From temperature effect, and from heroic ability. Because I was impressed, I replayed battle, and I know for fact that my Jarl attacked five times in a row, without enemy moving. He is showing 33 AP at rest, when his basic is 15. I have not remembered APs in battle, when he would have quickness.

No Water bless on him...

By the way, it is not all good. He gets tired much too quick. I do not SC with him, he leads an army.

[Saulot]

The natural response is a lifedrain weapon + reinvig. items.

Or is that not enough?

[Nikolai]

Last opponents are almost all lifeless - statues, mandragoras, undead. +8 reinvigoration is not enough. Can you drain demons (oni) for energy? That's what he is figthing next.

[Jazzepi]

The key to Jarls is to get the ones that have D3 to cast soul vortex. Against most armies this provides an endless supply of free reinvig.

Jazzepi

[Wick]

If it isn't lifeless then it can be life drained.