MA C'Tis, Let me get this straight.....

[Ubercat]

Wow. That's kind of messed up. There doesn't seem any point to giving MA C'Tis access to any pretenders that lack all of those protective characteristics.

I was trying an awake Manticore with no magic for early expansion, and 10 dominion to burn any invaders plus give my pretender awe. He had built in PR of 100, which obviously didn't help.

Thanks guys!

[sector24]

I tried a manticore too. The thing is, he has so many hit points that it will still take 200+ turns for him to die of the disease. Since his usefulness quickly wanes after 30-50 turns you can ignore the disease or maybe get Gift of Health/Chalice to heal him. It's not a horrible choice.

[RamsHead]

Frostmourne27 said:

IIRC, undead don't get afflictions from diease either. If they do, the cahnce must be much lower. I can't ever remember diseased undead getting affliction outside of combat.

I thought that you had to lose HP to get afflictions from a disease, hence why I didn't mention that. It is possible that you do not need to lose HP though. In either case you are correct undead do not get afflictions through disease or it is so rare as to not be any concern.

[DrPraetorious]

Personally, I think C'tis should (in every era,but it's in the MA that you'd care) get cold-blooded national summons with every magic path, to help overcome their inability to use indie mages, which I've always thought as a dealbreaker, in spite of their significant advantages.

[Jazzepi]

I don't think it's that bad. I'm recruiting enchantresses in a current game, and using rings of regen to keep them alive.

Miasma provides a +1% bonus to income per level of domininon, it *should* have a drawback.

Jazzepi

[Tuidjy]

Well, by turn 60 in my Pythium game, more than 50% of my mages are diseased (yes,
with life dominion) I assume that C'tis can do the same as my Pythium - start
large scale manufacture of Shrouds of the Battle Saint.

[Ubercat]

Jazzepi said:
I don't think it's that bad. I'm recruiting enchantresses in a current game, and using rings of regen to keep them alive.

Miasma provides a +1% bonus to income per level of domininon, it *should* have a drawback.

Jazzepi

Actually, I think that's a 1% penalty per point of dominion to income for you, 5% penalty per dom point for your enemies (with lands under your dominion.) Bottom line, ME C'Tis dominion damages it's own income, but hurts it's enemies worse.

That's what the book says IIRC and it seemed to be confirmed in my test game in that I still seemed to have some slight money problems despite using order 3.

[Jazzepi]

Quoted directly from the description in game...

"Within provinces influenced by this Dominion, income is increased by 1 percent per level of Dominion, and the income of enemy provinces is reduced by 5 percent per level of domininon."

Miasma provides a bonus to the lizard folk.

Jazzepi

[DrPraetorious]

IIUC, Ubercat is correct about *unpatched* game behavior, but the income was fixed to match the documents in 3.04 or 3.06.

[Meglobob]

I think Mother of Serpents for her healing ability may be a good choice of pretender for Ma Ctis. It depends on how good a healer she is however. She could heal the diseased and afflicted.

Mother of Monsters as well. She gets +3 Lamias and Lamias are immune to miasma. The Lamia queen can extend your magic diversity as well.

Even without indies you can get all 8 paths of magic with Ma Ctis if you plan correctly and that does not involve what you put on your pretender. Some of those paths will however be only available for the endgame however, example air from faiery queen needs conjuration lvl 8.