Mod: 11nations mod

[Humakty]

Most of the infantries you created use short weapons or light polearms, and cost a lot of resources. I find them lacking in punch compared to the vanilla human civs.
I think at least the order of justice could use some heavy weapons.(even if in the comic most soldiers use spears and sword)
It is true that rapidly, powerful evocations can compensate for this lack of power.
The high mage of air of lhynn as 2E in place of 2A and two of the attacks of the leviathan are at 0 (which is maybe not a scandal).

[sube]

Humakt said:
Most of the infantries you created use short weapons or light polearms, and cost a lot of resources. I find them lacking in punch compared to the vanilla human civs.
I think at least the order of justice could use some heavy weapons.(even if in the comic most soldiers use spears and sword).

Ok, good point - i'll put it into my to do list. It's true that 2Hs don't show up too much in the comic, but they can still fit nicely into this dom3 adaptation

[Juzza]

what I think you need to do is make things a bit more like the other nations what I mean is this.

Normal Troop
HP:10
Str:10
att:10
def:10
Prot:15 body 20 head "for sake of arguement we'll put them in lhynn plate"
Moral:10
MR:10
AP:12

those are the only stats we need, now then we look at say a standard sort of elite.

Elite Troop
HP:10-16
Str:11-12
att:10-12
def:10-12
Prot:15 body 20 head "for sake of arguement we'll put them in lhynn plate" (protection varies per unit, not as important as other stats)
Moral:10-16
MR:10-12
AP:12-14

I noticed with your standard troops for Lhynn and your elite troops the only real difference was the weaponry wasn't really enough, the elites are better! they need more, primarily, HP and STR

um, does that give a bit of insite into my opinion?
keep it your own though!! or the whole things gonna fall apart!

[Humakty]

I was a bit in a hurry yesterday, so I couldn't how I appreciate the BMC mod. I think you succeded in your adaptation of each faction. It is a very nice job you've done. Looks like you've killed my nights for a looooong time.

[PvK]

Khaz Durok:

Yay! Someone finally made a conventional dwarf mod, so I don't have to! Nice job!

Ideas for tweaks:
* Great armor, lame weapons: The Dominions axe and hammer ratings are pretty inferior (not to mention the pick axe!). Seems like dwarves should have better versions, especially the ones who have Runic Armor, etc.
* The Venerable Warrior has centuries of experience, and only has fighting skills at 11. Seems like they should be very good fighters in terms of skill - at least Attack 13.
* Seems like the resource costs and gold costs could/should be even higher (and skills somewhat higher). Assuming the theme is the traditional ones where Dwarves prize gold and are love great craftsdwarfship.
* The Clansmen (maybe rename to Clansdwarf) could have lighter armor.
* Seems like the Tunnel Fighters would wear at least small helmets.
* Until getting a second castle, the resource costs result in the core of my army being King's Guards (Order 3, Prod 3, Dom Strength 5), which doesn't seem right. Maybe it would help if they required more gold and Runic equipment had higher resource costs.
* The color of the King's Guards armor also looks odd to me (is it a BMC thing?).

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Agartha's Ancient Ones are also old. And they're untalented...
I doubt dwarfs have the reach to be great attackers.

Anyways, I'll check this mod out Sunday, but ATM I have this to say.

It seems with 'bad dwarfs' you have some naming problems.
You may get some ideas from Norse or German mythologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_dwarves

You might call the nation of 'good' dwarfs Nidavellir, and the bad dwarfs Duergar

[Juzza]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
Agartha's Ancient Ones are also old. And they're untalented...
I doubt dwarfs have the reach to be great attackers.

Actually Agarthas Ancient Ones are more skilled than other pale ones, their lack of talent derives from having one eye.

Dwarves may be short, but their strong and tough, and theres nothing to say they can't get as much experience in fighting as men, they are short but they've also learned to fight that way, besides they live longer and have probably fought for longer.

[PvK]

Ya, the description of the Venerable Warrior unit says they have "centuries of experience", but apparently in terms of skills, this only got them +1 to attack and defense (11 each).

[sube]

About dwarves: the name "bad dwarves" is not really serious actually, i was just being silly. "Dark dwarves" could be more more correct (i think i named the dm file darkdwarves.dm or ddwarves.dm). Anyway, the nation has a name and it is "Grundenkash", which doesnt mean really anything but sounds kind of... unfriendly. The good dwarves nation is "Khaz Durok", i tried to come up with something more traditional, and the "Khaz" stuff is common to a lot of standard dwarf lore.

About the venerable warriors, i wanted them to be elite, but in a different way from the iron guard and king's guard. The idea is the following: they are old, and that, in my interpretation of dwarf physiology, means they are physically stronger and tougher (= more STR and HP). However, their reflexes slow down a bit, hence not very high ATT and DEF. Just an interpretation, I will think about a possible stat change.

I am also thinking about some improved version of axes and/or hammers, as PvK suggested. Revised gcost and other issues like helmet for tunnel fighters are also in my list.

When i'll have more time to sit down and write, i'll probably start new threads about some of the nations in this mod (the less "plain" ones), so that we can have a more serious chat about them. I'll do that at least for dwarves, dark dwarves, vampires, dunmer and black moon. Right now i am fixing bugs here and there.

[Humakty]

I have extensively playtested the black moon on a big map with all factions , and it seems to me that they are quite well balanced. Maybe the orcs should have better stats and a higher gold cost (specially the orc berseks), as they are now they are quite useless.(small protection makes their berserk talent pointless, as they usualy die amazingly fast).

It's true I had vanheim as a neighbour, and I had an early double war with them and arcos.

All in all, I think the BM,KoJ and KoL are quite balanced, thanks to their X3 mages.The elves and dwarfs really could use a wider array of armaments and/or better stats, because their magic talents are less usefull in big battles.