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December 11th, 2006, 07:35 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
If your pretender has only a few paths, radar spells are ok, but for a true rainbow manual searching is the way to go because you are searching for many different paths with one turn's effort. If you spent the points to get a rainbow mage, you made him for searching, and that's what he should do. Otherwise you should have taken a Great Sage.
Shovah is completely correct about 1-2 level sites being by far the most common, but on the other hand the many of the higher ones are very very good, so it is a tough call on whether to go 2 or 3. If i remember correctly, and if D3 hasn't changed it, and if the map does not have special sites, there are only a handful of 4s, so you it's pretty safe to go 3 and be confident that you aren't missing much.
The question is, how many paths can you afford to take 3 in, and that depends on the nation, the game settings, and the rest of your plan.
I reccommend a Master Lich as as rainbow pretender, especially for a non-death nation- start dominion 3, 20/path, immortal so you don't have to worry about his safety, and useful in other roles later in the game, or early if your plans go awry.
Others play it differently, but i use the radar spells only sparingly in the mid/late game to target "likely" spots- ie provinces that have screwy scales that hint at hidden sites, rough terrain that has no sites after search by my nationals, or conquered territory that i believe has been partially searched by my foe and may be dangerous to search manualy. Also, if i randomly get ahold of a single caster who can use a radar spell in a path that i cannot otherwise do, i will set him to radar searching. For instance, if i'm playing an astral nation without air, my first Harbinger will usually spend most of his life in a lab casting Auspex.
The magic/arms balance has swung heavily in favor of arms between DomII and D3, but gem income is still a decisive factor and finding more sites faster is a huge advantage IF you can survive long enough to do the research to put it into play. For this reason, i consider rainbows to be an excellent strategy, but riskier than the two main alternatives- SC pretender and high bless. If some smart alec with double 9 blessed sacreds or killer Naharraja jumps you on turn 8 you may be screwed, but if your regular forces are good enough that you can defend yourself you will gain an increasing edge as the game goes on.
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December 11th, 2006, 08:23 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
Tyrant makes a very, very good point about the main drawback of a rainbow pretender, especially in MP is if you get attacked by blessed sacred troops. Without a SC pretender or bless strategy of your own, a attack by blessed sacred troops before turn 20 will defeat you rather easily.
A rainbow pretender with all 1 or 2 paths in magic is probably best used on big maps with few players. As such a strategy needs time to pay off. A rainbow pretender is sacrificing power early in the game, turns 1-20 for more power later in the game.
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December 11th, 2006, 08:29 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
Well actually if you can get any sort of decent battle-magic with that pretender researching you could do ok, a lightning bolt or mindburn spam for example could do fairly well vrs a few, elite bless troops(and non-elites usually go down quite well to missile fire)
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December 11th, 2006, 08:49 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
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Does it really make sense to use a rainbow pretender for site searching?
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Depending on the magic site frequency and current actions/distance of your neighbors a rainbow pretender can be quite useful. Searching with a rainbow pretender almost provides the same value as casting Ashaic(sp?) Record which costs 25 astral for one spell. Sometime during midgame it's better to return the rainbow mage to a lab where all future time is spent casting spells, forging items and summoning creatures.
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December 11th, 2006, 09:00 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
I like rainbow pretenders. Like others here have already said, they pay off in the long run. They are useful as site searchers, but they can also research, forge items, summon creatures, and cast artillery spells. You will always have a rainbow pretender doing something important.
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December 11th, 2006, 09:10 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
If you go for a rainbow mage, don�t put anything in the paths covered by your national mages. It�s usually much cheaper to bring a mage or two along for the sitesearching than to spend the designpoints on raising those paths.
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December 11th, 2006, 10:34 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
It's a tough call on what to do with national paths. You will be able to get strong magic in national paths eventually, but unless you can get level 4 nationals your rainbow pretender can cast and search for your national paths better. Since you get bonus gems in your national paths - and generally can best use gems in your national paths - 4 in national paths can have big benefits in the early and midgame. Of course there's also bless benefits. People ignore the small benefits because they seem so wimpy compared to the level 9 blesses, but if your sacreds are worth getting anyway, +2 attack/defense/+afflictions/etc. is a pretty nice boost.
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December 11th, 2006, 11:54 PM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
Ermor ashen empire so my early game is fragile already.
I have no idea how to build SCs...
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December 13th, 2006, 07:49 AM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
One thing to mention about taking level four in the paths you are expecting to search. That can play into a bless plan. If you have decent sacred troops and they have five or six minor bless effects on them, while you are able to search early on and then retire to the lab, it might work out.
If you are thinking of going down this route, look closely at the special site frequency in the game set up. If you put it low, you might want to avoid this plan, but if you crank it up, it becomes more powerful.
As a comment, I use the "radar" spells as heavily and as early as I can. The sooner you get the site, the sooner you start getting more gems. You have to invest to make money as they say...
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December 13th, 2006, 07:56 AM
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Re: The value of site searching rainbow pretenders
I usually build my rainbows around path boosters. If I have to choose between Air 3 or Fire 3, I have Fire at 3 to have access to Flame Helmets. If I can afford one path at 4, and my nations has Air mages, getting the Air boosters is well worth the cost. I might take E1 for a MA Ulm rainbow, just to be able to give her Earth Boots and then make Crystal Coins. As Ulm I'd also take Death and Fire for those Flaming Skulls; Fire at 3 to be able to do a Fires from the Sky if it's needed, and Death no lower than 2, to let me start with Skull Staff.
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