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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
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That whole thing about getting virgins in heaven if you are a martyr, true or not, the belief in it would appear to ring false any idea that some Muslims are for womens rights.
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Dude, i don't think you condemn the whole faith of Islam as mysoginists because of some bull**** story made up to con a few gullible zealots into committing suicide. Your average muslim (especially those living in Western counries) is going to reject that interpretation of the scripture just as quickly as they reject all the other hate-mongering interpretations that have led to death and destruction.
I mean if you base your personal philosophy on a book that was written centuries ago (and this applies just as much to Christians, jews and many other faiths) then you must either learn that some bits of the book just don't apply any more or learn not to take everything literally, or you will end up a medieval anachranism in the 21st century.
I mean if you lived by every literal word of the bible, for instance, you'd be sacrificing bulls to God and stoning your rebellious teenager kids to death...
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February 6th, 2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
Humans sure are a lot better at getting offended and attacking others, than they are at following their own supposed morals.
What irony to attack others in the name of a code that preaches peace, if one bothers to read it. Fear, ignorance, panic, rage, chaos, self-destruction. Humans are a pathetic lot.
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February 6th, 2006, 04:48 PM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
Wasn't there also cartoons regarding other religions? You don't see see a bunch of wild eyed bomb throwing buddists rioting in the streets calling for the heads of Danes.
Boy if I went off the deep end everytime I got offended by something I would probably be looked down upon too.
Kinda reminds me of when Triumph the insult comic dog made a remark about the french speakers in Canada. Then people were saying "Your getting angry over a dog puppet"
Now it's "Your rioting and killing people over a cartoon"
Back in 1971 some gunmen fired on people in a movie theatre who went to see the movie "Muhammed: Messenger of God" because they thought the movie actually showed the image of Muhammed. It didn't!
Get a grip Abul!
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February 6th, 2006, 04:57 PM
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I by no means condone their actions but this is what they (extremist Muslims) base their actions on:
"Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depictions of the Prophet Muhammad and other major religious figures � even positive ones � to prevent idolatry."
I absolutely don't agree but that's what many believe.
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February 6th, 2006, 06:16 PM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
I wonder about a few things. From what I have seen, most people are not at all offended by the actions or politics of those who kidnap and then behead people in the name of radicalized Islam, yet they become livid pi**ed off over a cartoon? WTF? They expect the rest of the world to take them seriously under this juxtaposition? I think not.
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
The original article, and few of the actual comics published, are surprisingly accurate. As far as I understand, the pictures were meant to show the drawers' thoughts on islam, or Muhammed. As an example, one of the pictures shows Muhammed, with a crescent-shaped halo... that, to our direction, looks like devil's horns. One of the pictures has a comic artist looking over his shoulder, afraid. One actually has an auhority figure calming down sword-and-bomb zealots with "Relax guys, it's just a drawing by some Dane there somewhere".
With few of the pictures, like the head-with-fuse, I could understand this, somewhat... I just think the other pictures should be shown as well. They didn't think it would cause such a fuss. Reading the Wikipedia article, Denmark has quite loose laws in many other ways, as well.
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Humans are a pathetic lot.
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Well...that's a rather blanketing statement.
The average individual person can be intelligent, moral and calm. It's the average group of people that's usually moronic, immoral and chaotic.
EDIT: OK, the average individual can be moronic too...at least some of the spelling and grammar errors I made in this post certainly were! ![](http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif) Fixed now. /EDIT
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February 7th, 2006, 02:14 AM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
Perhaps. Humans are certainly more dangerous in groups. ![](http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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February 7th, 2006, 03:18 AM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
I looked at those cartoons and I have no idea what most of them are supposed to mean or what the point of them are.
You can see the pictures that caused all this trouble here.
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February 7th, 2006, 04:02 AM
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Re: OT: Muhammed-caricatyres and freedom of speach
We are fortunate to have had a number of civil rights movements in the area over a period of centuries.
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