wut can u wish for with wish?

[Gandalf Parker]

Huzurdaddi said:

It looks like there are about 70 strings in the executable

Heehee. I wondered if anyone would pick up on how to get the whole list. Thats what I did, a "strings" command. I hope that in Dom3 they encrypt their data. Even if they did a Rot13 on each bit of text before using it I dont think it would slow the game down much and would make it alot more fun not knowing stuff like this.

Gandalf Parker

[cryingdevil]

how do u do a strings command?

[Evil Dave]

Gandalf Parker said:
I hope that in Dom3 they encrypt their data. Even if they did a Rot13 on each bit of text before using it I dont think it would slow the game down much and would make it alot more fun not knowing stuff like this.

Gandalf Parker

I beg to differ on both points. Rot13 or the feeble method they used in the save files will fall very quickly to people who want to crack the game. Significant encryption raises the bar, but since the key(s) must be somewhere in the distribution, it will fall eventually... and even w/o the the keys built in, there are Other Ways of getting them.

As to making it more fun, well, not for me. I don't mind losing to a better player, but I strongly object to losing because I not only don't know the rules, but they're actively hidden from me.

[Evil Dave]

cryingdevil said:
how do u do a strings command?

On a Unix variant (Linux, Mac O/S, Solaris),

strings <name of file>

will dump all the printable strings in the file to the screen. The output can be redirected as normal, which is good, since there's a lot of text in the executable.

Sorry, I don't know if Windows has a similar command/function.

[FrankTrollman]

Could someone just give the 70+ outputs that the rings command gives? I'd be happy to actually test through them one at a time to see what each one does, but it's a bit frustrating having to guess.

A real complete "everything you can wish for" list could then be made available, and people who didn't want to look at it could choose to not do so.

-Frank

[Evil Dave]

FrankTrollman said:
Could someone just give the 70+ outputs that the rings command gives? I'd be happy to actually test through them one at a time to see what each one does, but it's a bit frustrating having to guess.

-Frank

Your wish is my, uh, reasonably good idea. The list is:

nothing
to die

death match
arena match
arena game
death game

dominion
divine power
divine authority

strength
physic
hitpoint
hit point

power
magical power
magic power
magic skill
magic master
magic might

ultimate power
armageddon
genocide
world
everyone
everything

slaves
blood
gems

troops
military
army
militia

provinces
lands
large
huge
nation

food
supply
supplies
broth
wine
stop
starv

people
populace
enemies
friends

peasants
commoners

kill

leader

fame
experience
combat skill
fighting skill

artefact
artifact
something
anything
sword
staff
weapon

gold
money
wealth
riches
silver
copper
dough

I've put gaps between the ones I think do the same thing. That list is 66 wishes; they're all grouped together in the file. If there are others, they're not in the obvious place. As Wauthan mentioned, you can also wish for heroes, artifacts, creatures, and pretenders by name.

[Gandalf Parker]

Evil Dave said:

On a Unix variant (Linux, Mac O/S, Solaris),

strings <name of file>

will dump all the printable strings in the file to the screen. The output can be redirected as normal, which is good, since there's a lot of text in the executable.

Sorry, I don't know if Windows has a similar command/function.

Well I disagree back.
There is no way to encrypt the strings that will hide it from absolutely everyone. And any extreme effort would slow the game down more than its worth. But even something as weak as Rot13 (yes I purposely chose the weakest in the world) would work for a much larger chunk. For one thing you couldnt do a simple strings on it and jump right to the answer by knowing just one of the possibilities.

And even if people dont like not knowing things in the game, oh well. The game does do that on purpose. People can try to undo that, or they can shift to games where all the rules are known (I hear chess is good), but this one isnt like that.

My only comment was that in the next one maybe they will do better. Of course it will fail but all security does. Its always only an effort to block "as many as possible, as much as possible, for as long as possible" within reason (in this case without making the game too slow)

And, no, obviously Im NOT going to provide a whole list.

[Agrajag]

May I ask what is the point?
I mean, if someone doesn't want to know those things, he can just (gasp) not try to find them out.
And if someone wants to know those things, what's the harm in him knowing?
Its not like hours of testing can't give him the answer.

[Gandalf Parker]

Agrajag said:
May I ask what is the point?
I mean, if someone doesn't want to know those things, he can just (gasp) not try to find them out.

Since the players are human (well most of us are) that concept doesnt work. And even if they can avoid the temptation, they will convince themselves that their enemies did not so.. obviously I must have all of the cheat codes also and practice them. Just in case. (its kindof a game/virtual version of the old "cold war" concept). Wow, deep thinking. Too early. Headache starting.

And if someone wants to know those things, what's the harm in him knowing?
Its not like hours of testing can't give him the answer.

Again, nothing stops anything. It can only be as hard as possible for as long as possible for as many as possible. Otherwise our society would fall apart.
Ouch OUCH theres that headache again

Gandalf Parker

[Chazar]

Thas the problem with wish & co and multiplayer:

Either waste hours by
a) analysing binaries
b) reading huge forums on the web
c) stupid hotseat games against oneself
or
d) live with the unknown while knowing that your enemies will know.

Knowledge is victory, victory is life, err, or something like that...

...I think that DomIII should come with a switch which disables all these surprise thingys like "wish" for multiplayer. I think this would make threads like this one here obsolete and thus help to preserve the fun of exploration for those who enjoy singleplayer-mode.