OT: Crusader Kings

[Boron]

did you play victoria or hoi too stormbinder ?

eu2 was a long favourite of me because i like history and playing e.g. byzantine like phoenix from the ashes is very nice or making bavaria a superpower

but the problem with eu2 is that in the long run it's to simple and you have to little to do . i think that's what you mean it's not perfect

but i have never played it in mp unfortunately .

in general paradox games are nice but either they are not deep enough or one of the key systems is annoying like revolts in vicky

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Boron:
did you play victoria or hoi too stormbinder ?

eu2 was a long favourite of me because i like history and playing e.g. byzantine like phoenix from the ashes is very nice or making bavaria a superpower

but the problem with eu2 is that in the long run it's to simple and you have to little to do . i think that's what you mean it's not perfect

but i have never played it in mp unfortunately .

Nope, I haven't. I am going to give HOI a try when I have a lot of time on my hands, the reviews that I've read were mixed but sprkled my interest. From Victoria I'll probably stay away, I've heard rather negative things about it from my EU2 friends and from many reviews.

I agree, EU2 is great, especially if you have interest in the history. You can also set up a lot of different goals for yourself (other than standart ones), that would make a lot of sense historically for the nations you choose to play.

As for its problems - one of the thing that buthered me a bit is when you become a real expert with EU2 (and I have been playing to for 2 years) you reilize too well the AI's shortcoming.

I mean EU2's AI was really great relative to other strategic games, but it was far from perfect even after dozens and dozens of pathes that improved it considerably. And once you know its weaknesses (althout it could take you pretty long time to learn it, since the game is very deep and complex) you could exploit it to your advantage. At the end I could take an obscure american indian 1 province nation and lead it to world domination by 1815. That could spoil a historical feeling for me to some degree.

As for MP - it was truly fantastic. To give you some example to compare - the difference in terms of fun in SP and MP in EU2 was about 10 times larger than difference between Dom2's SP and MP. And I am not extravagating.

It would all depend on good players crowd of course, but as I said vast majority of EU2 players was very mature and intelligent, much more than in any strategic game that I've ever played. You should see some of our AARs as well as some details of european Machiavelian policy in long MP games, alliances, secret diplomatic treaties, world wars and colonial wars and religios wars between 15 nations at the same time, each struggling to archieve its own goals, etc. It was a bLast.