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January 28th, 2011, 03:44 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
I would support whatever Groundworm wants to do to fix this, including additional roll backs or sending gold or gems. Let me know if you have any ideas, Groundworm.
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January 28th, 2011, 05:41 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
Hmm, well I believe that all of Groundworm's orders were maintained - all I did was change the province the army moved to. Or perhaps you mean that you gave the orders on the turn *before*, but didn't repeat them this turn?
Anyway I spent an hour and a half last night trying to find some set of orders which didn't break the game (starting at my bed time so it was a late one). Obviously the outcome is horribly unfair for C'tis, but I really don't know what to suggest. This kind of event is pretty rare - not had a crash like this for months, among all the games running - but given that it's happened I'm not sure a fair solution can be found.
On the plus side Groundworm, the province you attacked has a lab so you should be able to replenish your mages' gem stocks.
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January 28th, 2011, 05:44 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
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If we want to continue because further troubleshooting of this issue is too troublesome, I will understand and make the best of what I have left. But while the current solution solves the crashing problem, it leaves me much worse off.
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Yeah, to be honest I don't really have time for further troubleshooting. Again, I'm sorry. Not that it's my fault, but it's a real bummer when technical problems mess the "fairness" of a game up - particularly a newbie game!
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I would support whatever Groundworm wants to do to fix this, including additional roll backs or sending gold or gems. Let me know if you have any ideas, Groundworm.
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Maybe sending a few gems would be a reasonable way to resolve this.
Whatever, I highly suggest continuing with the next turn ASAP so the game doesn't lose momentum.
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January 28th, 2011, 12:12 PM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
I had scripted my orders differently in the turns that crashed, so the orders never actually got put into place (I actually put the new orders in three different times- two for each of the crashed/staled turns, and once for the turn that didn't get processed on account of the rollback).
The difference in orders was, among other things, I scripted my fairy queen to cast fog warriors, which would have protected my troops from my own rain of stones- which was far more devastating than anything Pangaea did to me in that fight.
It doesn't matter. I was an unfortunate victim of circumstance. At least it happened to me in a game where I'm already losing, rather than one of the games I still have a chance in. We should carry on, there's nothing to be done here.
Again, llamabeast, thanks for your time and your help.
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January 28th, 2011, 05:27 PM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
Are you sure that the cast orders were incorrect...
It's possible that one or more of your mages just decided to go off script, that has burned me bad twice so far this game.
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January 28th, 2011, 07:58 PM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
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Originally Posted by Groundworm
It doesn't matter. I was an unfortunate victim of circumstance. At least it happened to me in a game where I'm already losing, rather than one of the games I still have a chance in. We should carry on, there's nothing to be done here.
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Thanks for your understanding. It's just bad luck, but like you say at least it's in a game where things were already going badly (btw, nice job fighting it out until the end).
Ok everyone, let's proceed with the game. Don't forget to follow llamabeast's instructions about deleting your old .2h files and please ask if you have any questions. I'm going to add 24 hours to the hosting time so you have a full 72 hours from now to work on your turns.
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February 2nd, 2011, 02:33 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
I'm afraid our favorite Maeneads have caused another Llamaserver crash?
Maybe we need to abandon this game?
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February 2nd, 2011, 06:33 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
Oh poo.
I think it's caused by Haunted Forest. No idea how to fix it though. I even considered getting Pangaea's caster to commit suicide, but I'm not sure how to do it.
I wonder whether someone could do a dispel. Maybe I can take a look to see if anyone has enough gems and try that, and get everyone else to send that player gems.
Obviously this is pretty unfair on Pangaea though, who presumably had Haunted Forest as a big part of his strategy.
The good news is, if I didn't mention it before, I sent the files to Johan K (the programming half of Illwinter) and he's taken a look, so most probably this bug will be fixed in the next patch. It's never come up before though - I guess either Haunted Forest is rarely cast (unlikely) os some other issue is interacting with it to cause problems.
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February 2nd, 2011, 06:34 AM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
If you guys are keen to carry on with the game and Pangaea can handle the unfairness of a dispel, I'll mess around with it and get that done. But if you're disheartened anyway and would rather just start new games, I'll not bother. Let me know.
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February 2nd, 2011, 12:19 PM
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Re: First Blood - Newbie game - Running
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Originally Posted by llamabeast
If you guys are keen to carry on with the game and Pangaea can handle the unfairness of a dispel, I'll mess around with it and get that done. But if you're disheartened anyway and would rather just start new games, I'll not bother. Let me know.
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I would vote for throwing in the towel at this point. There are just too many things that have gotten messed up. Also realize that we are causing other players grief by continuing to mess up the server.
If everyone else really wants to continue, though, I would be willing.
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