PBW ethics, opinions please.

[spoon]

Originally posted by Rollo:

I guess some people don't get the idea of roleplaying or in-character Messages. Surely Posts on this board have nothing to do with in-game diplomacy.

Though not everyone considers se4 to be a role-playing game. Whereas roleplaying can make the game more fun for some people, others may find it an unncessarry distraction - esp. if you don't have the time for it. Personally, I enjoy a moderate amount of rping, but wouldn't begrudge someone who sent OOC Messages or used Real World contexts for in-game decisions (eg, If you know Player A backstabbed Player B in game Y, I wouldn't think it necesarrily bad to inform player C about it in Game Z).

Something like: If you give me planet A in game X, I'll give you tech B in game Y...[/rant off]

That I would consider unethical...

[One Eyed Jack]

That depends on what you posted tesco samoa. If you posted something regarding the way in which you play the game that could be used fairly against you such as favored tactics or diplomacy methods it might well be fair game for use against you.

Role Play is another matter entirely and as spoon notes not everyone thinks SEIV Gold should always be role played and he provides a good example situation with real world context.

Well role played diplomatic insults can be fun in a game if good spirited and the people you are playing with get it.

What Rollo describes is disgusting. I hope I never encounter such behavior in a game. I am surprised the game owner did not kick the player in question. People play games to have fun and player conduct of such nature that is detrimental to that objective should not be tolerated.

[DavidG]

Well I love to dish out a good insult in game. But personally I would avoid using profanity against players I do not know. In a recent PBEM game with a friend I used every foul word in the book and then when his character complained I blamed it on his universal translater. In PBW against players I do not know I would use something more in Sc-Fi character such as "You're sire mates with Denebian Slime Devils"

[ January 17, 2003, 02:41: Message edited by: DavidG ]

[Gryphin]

Rollo, < snip unessasary comment > I have always used vulgarity while gaming. Sometimes tone inflection and body language did not come across. If I have ever wondered where someone was coming from I asked them. Did you mention it to them?
If someone has been offensive to you, bring it up with them. Perhaps it was un intended. Tell us, is it consistent with the balance of their post here to be deliberately obnoxious / instulting?
Edit:
Clearly there are venues where it should not be used. I apologiesto any I have offended in any game I have played. I will change my ways.

[ January 17, 2003, 01:05: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

[Puke]

i definitly side with Rollo, here.

[Puke]

even though im often delibratly obnoxious.

[couslee]

If you were down to 10 mines, you were out of it. The ability to resist is not enough to stay in a game, you must also have the ability to recover from a good wuppin. I would not care if you had a million mines floating around, with no planets, no ships, and no ability to get any planets or ships, you gone. If the game host allowed this, your both ****ters.

If you only told him that to provoke a piss, but then conceeded, that is another story.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Gozra:
ut if you need to revert to profanity... well I think one should and could do better.

That depends entirely on teh race.

In the Stars! community, there is a race -- (in)famous throughout the community ... known as "Da Furries"; they are among THE singularly most foul-mouthed, non-house-broken, IRRITATING lil' bastards in the known multiverse.

And playing against them is an absolute BLAST, 'cause their owner/player (whose name escapes me ATM) role-plays them TO THE HILT.

My Last game of Stars! included the Furries (much to my dismay and trepidation; their player isn't a "dim bulb" WRT that game ...). The race is played to make you truly ENJOY trying your damnedest to exterminate every Last foul-mouthed, sub-sentient, filth-covered ONE of the runty bastards. Heh!!!

[tesco samoa]

Rollo... One game against a good friend I named all the big ships after his failed relation ships

[Gozra]

If you only told him that to provoke a piss, but then conceeded, that is another story.

Yes, that is what I did.

May I sum up?
It appears that we have Cheating issues and Gamey issues.
NO one likes cheating. Cheating in PBW and SEIV appears to mainly be hacking for an advantage. And a subset would be Player inter-action between games.
GAMEY it appears would be to take advantage of the AI's otherwise If the computer allowes you to do it then let the games begin.
SEIV is after all a state of the art space Empire simulation.