WinSP MBT: Das Reich

[scorpio_rocks]

Hiya,

I am working my way through the tanks preparing some encyclopaedia entries and noticed an anomaly:
The "(+)" versions of the Leopard 1A4A1 forward have Thermal imaging and a CIWS, is this right?
"normal" versions dont get TI till the mid 90's and the leopard 2 never even gets VIRSS never mind a CIWS!

Seems to be a lack of consistancy for tank self defence systems - the kaisertiger for instance gets an active protection system in the early 80's which is then replaced with a smoke screen/jammer in the early 90's.

If the Reich develops some kind of hard-kill tank defense weapon system in the 80's (20 years before anyone else) why isn't it on all their tanks? And why did they drop it in favour of a passive system?

Perhaps you have great answers which I need to include in the relevant text entries.

[RecruitMonty]

The "(+)" versions of the Leopard 1A4A1 forward have Thermal imaging and a CIWS, is this right?

The thermal imaging is correct. I changed CIWS to VIRSS in the updated version. I will post it up next week. IRL has gotten in the way this week.

"normal" versions dont get TI till the mid 90's and the leopard 2 never even gets VIRSS never mind a CIWS!

The regular Leopard 1s are meant to be a bit more rudimentary by the 80s. They are more or less the equivalent of the Panzer IVs in the late war years by that time.

Should the Leopard 2s - later models get CIWS in your opinion? They don't have any at present afaik irl.

the kaisertiger for instance gets an active protection system in the early 80's

The protection systems in the mod's timeline were developed to specifically protect the heavy tanks in the 70s - about ten years before the USSR or NATO countries - from emerging threats in the 70s-80s

The passive systems are replaced in the update for all heavy tanks.

[scorpio_rocks]

Originally Posted by RecruitMonty

The thermal imaging is correct. I changed CIWS to VIRSS in the updated version. I will post it up next week. IRL has gotten in the way this week.

No rush mate.

Should the Leopard 2s - later models get CIWS in your opinion? They don't have any at present afaik irl.

No I don't believe they should - thats why it struck me as odd, lol. Seems you have it in hand already if you have changed the active CIWS to the passive VIRSS.

The protection systems in the mod's timeline were developed to specifically protect the heavy tanks in the 70s - about ten years before the USSR or NATO countries - from emerging threats in the 70s-80s

I'm pretty sure no NATO country has active CIWS on any vehicle NOW nevermind in the 80's!!!
The soviet Drozd system was available in the late 70's but wasnt very sucessful and was dropped in favour of reactive armour.

The passive systems are replaced in the update for all heavy tanks.

with what?

Your later comments for the heavy tanks seem to contradict what you say about the leopards (or I'm sorry, I misunderstood).

In your timeline does the Reich develop some kind of active protection system for it's vehicles/tanks? in the 70's? If they did, fine, they would indeed have mounted it on the Leopard 2's.
My, limited, understanding is that the various systems were too big, heavy, slow and limited and were universally dropped in favour of reactive armour and passive systems (jammers, IR smoke, chaff, etc) - it is only in recent times that the advances in electronics, miniturisation and radar detection that they have become viable and practicable with great claims made for the efficiency of systems such as the Israeli Trophy, Russian Arena or American Iron Curtain.

No worries. I will get the first batch of 100 or so texts emailed to you next week, so you can see if I am doing them to your satisfaction.

Don't worry about timing - Real life has to come before a game,mate!

[RecruitMonty]

The passive systems of heavy tanks from the late 90s are now equipped with active counter-measures. From the early 80s the heavies are equipped with passive counter-measures.

The heavier Leopard 1s (Leo. 1A4A3 (+)) get passive counter-measures from 86 onwards. Nothing active.

The Leopard 2s have strong enough armour so I don't think they need counter-measures.

Indeed, no NATO countries afaik have active counter-measures on their MBTs, but I do believe Israel has some nowadays (as you mentioned).

Thanks for the work on the text files. Am working on formations. Lots to do

[RecruitMonty]

Update available at the usual place ("Update 14.08.2015"). Tell me what you think.

One last supreme effort checking through the OOBs and I think we can publish.

In the meantime lets focus on writing up those text files. Concentrating on problematic units first - those that are not so easy to figure out - and then when we've gotten them out of the way we can publish with those text files and release a "patch" with the rest down the line.

[scorpio_rocks]

Thanks for the latest update!

Loving the new gunboats!

Hope to get you around 600 text files by the weekend (have switched focus to "problematic units" as you suggested)

[RecruitMonty]

You are very welcome!

Here is another one (Update 19.08.2015). Updated Panzergrenadiers, SS and Marines. They now have double MGs (models 45 and 55) instead of the single MG they used to have.

Update is available at the usual spot. I think this is now a perfect load-out for mechanised troops.

[Wiking]

Thank you for your continued hard work Monty. You've really transformed MBT into something monstrous and wonderful in my eyes.

[scorpio_rocks]

Apologies for the delays folks - real life unexpectedly got in the way

[RecruitMonty]

No need to apologise . Take your time.