Dominions 3000 (name confirmed!)

[Aezeal]

That's a good idea (I'll probably try it), but what if we were to make "helmet" armor for ships and call it Cockpit Protection, Heavy Cockpit Protection, etc.? That could work too.

--> sure would work but doing it for all ships is a lot of work and different than how I started so why go there

on the last point I actually meant blasters to be laser myself (like in star wars) so the idea would still be identical

[reverend]

In an astonishing coincidence the idea for more or less the same mod (Dominions in space) came to me when I looked at a Star Wars map recently. The one on Wikipedia already looks well suited - minor modifications and it would be ready to go!

[Darkwind]

Well, I don't want my Deep Ones and Yithians going around carting Blasters, heavy Blasters, etc. Perhaps we can simply say laserguns focus on lighter but more precise damage? Also, I may as well post the Neoclidian Capital Ship up since that's basically all I did today. Keep in mind it will be summonable with a spell and is meant to be the biggest, baddest ship in the Neoclidian arsenal (as in, really awesome):

#newweapon 670
#name "Devastator Cannon"
#att 25
#nratt -4
#armornegating
#dmg 75
#aoe 2
#nostr
#rcost 20
#range 100
#ammo 13
#explspr 10102
#end

#newweapon 654
#name "Streamcannon"
#att -3
#nratt 4
#armorpiercing
#dmg 8
#nostr
#rcost 5
#range 35
#ammo 90
#flyspr 210 4
#end

#newmonster 2223
#name "Neoclidian Capital Ship"
#spr1
#spr2
#descr "The Neoclidian Capital Ship favors brute force over ancient technology's myriad powers. It cannot move close enough to a planet's surface to battle due to its sheer size; however, the Devastator Cannon deals massive amounts of damage and its Streamcannons are powerful as well. The greatest aspect of the Capital Ship, however, is its sheer bulk."
#flying
#ap 8
#mapmove 5
#size 5
#supplies -65
#flying
#hp 225
#prot 30
#str 10
#enc 1
#att 20
#def 20
#prec 14
#mr 10
#mor 17
#gcost 1500
#rcost 0
#weapon "Devastator Cannon"
#weapon "Streamcannon"
#weapon "Streamcannon"
#maxage 200
#greatleader
#amphibian
#end


I haven't worked much on changing them to forestshapes yet, and I'm not sure how to go about making it impossible for the ship to enter land. I'm thinking it will end up being some sort of nigh-invincible, low-morale flying unit meant to rain Devastator death from above. It has high gold cost due to being huge and needing lots of maintenance, and lots of supplies due to being huge and requiring lots of maintenance people. Also the mapmove is so high compared to AP points due to a "warp drive" or whatever, basically it can fly in behind enemy lines for Devastator mayhem and then fly out.

[Aezeal]

I think you should lower att value for the devastator cannon the precision of the ship isn't that bad anyway.
Also I think the gc is very very high for a none magic user. I think 500 will be more than enough.

Looks nice though..

[Darkwind]

The point of the Devastator Cannon is to be, well, devastating. Though you can still devastate something if you happen to miss, it's more likely to be a space-orphanage. Thus the precision.

As to the gold cost, I already provided an explanation which was, admittedly, bad. I figured that since, as has been said, ships are going to be much more powerful than the average unit, they should cost much more than the average unit over time. Gems are often not much of a deterrent to summoning a horde of something; a huge upkeep is going to be. The Capital Ship has the highest protection, HOP, and damage of pretty much everything (short of Deadly Sign-equipped Great Old Ones, and it eclipses even Ktalu in pretty much everything) in the mod. It is meant to be a nigh-unstoppable super-weapon. It comes with a cost (two, actually, the huge gem cost and the huge gold cost). I don't want the Neoclidian Capital Ship to become a unit to summon in hordes and send in 10+ packs of 3 against enemies. I want the capital ship (every capital ship really, although I guess it depends on whoever makes the capital ship) to be a single unit that could take on small armies solo and, combined with the many units it can lead, become an unstoppable fleet hellbent on the awakening of the Great Old Ones. I noticed that UlmInSpace's capital ship was recruitable (and, well, just a recruitable ship), and didn't want that to happen to the Neoclidian fleet.

On a semi-related note, I may add recuperation to the Capital Ship to represent nanites and such, and also because a Capital Ship that's lost its eyes or one of its arms isn't much of a capital ship at all.

[Aezeal]

Ulms capitol ship is the generic large spaceship they have.. the dreadnaught is the pimped version of it that needs to be summoned. It's not as powerfull a summon as Jomon or R'lyeh has but that is since I don't want ulm to be really dependant on magic, not even on earth magic.

Well your nation to do with it as you please.. i think the high gc is a bit too much but we'll see later.

[Darkwind]

The gold cost will only really come in as upkeep, since the Capital Ship will be a high-tier (the high-tier) summoned ship. Besides, Earth magic is meant to represent general knowledge of construction and such (in my eyes) in Dom3K. Also in my eyes, Astral is knowledge of ancient civilizations and the ability to harness their magic or technology for one's own use. With Astral magic one could build a ship from an ancient design which appeared as three ships (glamour), or a ship with a shielding device that stopped 3/4 of all attacks (ethereal). Also, of course, summoning missiles which caused matter to decay or ancient forces that, well, killed stuff to destroy your enemies. Earth would deal with more conventional building in general (pretty much every ship would require Earth), building weapons, missiles, etc.

But anyways, Neoclidia will likely have very weak recruitable ships with the rest being summoned. Its generic large ship will likely be summoned as well.

[Aezeal]

for shielding I'd use airshield (very good shielding), ethereal I used as cloaking device.
There is only one thing I'd like to see on your ship though and that is #inanimate which makes it a construct. There is a special command now to do extra damage to constructs and I think all ships should be inanimate (there is more ship than crew in the end) so we can use it.

Might be an idea for a nation (I'm thinking of a specialized fighter, with airshield and attacks with extra damamge against constructs.. as a sort of tankbuster).. I think I'll add that one in the near future. I'm also still thinkin of a tank for ulm.. I really think ulm should have a tank or something similar.. they have a lot of tech "in the air" they should certainly have tech on the ground. I'm thinking siege tanks as summons or high construction recruitables.. both would fit well with Ulm with AoE attack, and decent AP and a acceptable close range attack and highish prot, and a shapeshift to an immobile siege engine with even better AoE en damage and siege bonus, no close combat attack (well something weak to replace the feared fist) and lower prot

(I think Ulm should be king of AoE attacks for high prod, balanced with low magic... basicly as ulm always is)

[Darkwind]

If Ulm is to have tanks, I think there should be a recruitable tank as well. Not any special tank, just a tank. Good old-fashioned kinetic weaponry.

Also, I noticed you were interested in adapting the Amos's Insectoids for space (and thus Dom3K). How do you plan on doing that? Will it be essentially the same as Amos's Insectoids or differ somehow to make it a bit more original? Will it even happen? I have a few ideas myself, but I'll wait.

[Aezeal]

Yeah I have it in already it's expensive and if it's overpowered it'll be cap only but 100+ resource cost makes most things not be that overpowered especially if all otehr troops are high resource too)

I have a nice sprite, nice and dark like the other ulmish machines, and bulky I think I'm gonna need to put thedark ulmish powerfull steel in a description somewhere.. nice inheritance from dom 3 ages. PS I think Ulm should have highest armor in the game overalland high resource cost (not that the best flagships of the enemy can't have as good armor but I think that the other machines of nations should generally stay below Ulm's armor rating. (and ulm should have weakest magic)