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Mobhack · #**141** January 2nd, 2022, 04:18 PM

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Could be - but human players also should know, that it is not an ordinary workhorse of Polish air cavalry, more luring, than W-3 Sokół..

Then put some text to that effect in the unit description text as well as giving it an x3 code?.

Pibwl · #**142** January 3rd, 2022, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mobhack

Then put some text to that effect in the unit description text as well as giving it an x3 code?.

As you like. Maybe you'd want me to write encyclopedia descriptions for Polish units then?..

Pibwl · #**143** January 23rd, 2022, 08:06 PM

Spain

520-523 - HA.28 - according to article in Polish "Lotnictwo" 6/21 and Spanish https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC665_Tigre it has a name "Tigre".
First version used in Spain was HAP (and it might have been its designation - Helicóptero de Apoyo y Protección), but it was armed only in 30mm gun, rockets and Mistrals.

Spike was introduced only with Tigre HAD (Helicóptero de Ataque y Destrucción), delivered from 2015 and probably operational from 2016, when they fired first Spike [now: all 1/08]

Now we have HAP units 520 and 521 with 4 Mistrals and 22 or 44 rockets. Since it can carry 44 rockets and 4 Mistrals, a weaker one seems redundant. But, as this photo shows https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...547548575).jpg, maybe unit 520, instead of Mistrals, should carry 68 rockets?...

501,502 HR.15 (Bo-105) - withdrawn in 2017 (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBB_Bo_105 )

Eurocopter EC-135 is used as a light helicopter from 2007 (as HU.26) (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...ic%C3%B3pteros )

We have unit 582 HE.26, but it is wrong - photo and capacity suggest EC Panther or something similar, but HE.26 is a designation of training HU.26 = EC.135 (light helicopter).

507 HT.21L (Puma) - still in use, according to the article and last quoted page (not for long, to be replaced with last deliveries of NH-90)

BTW: should 506 and 507 HT.21 have carry capacity 220? French Pumas have 120, and 509 HT.27 (Cougar) has 125.

581 NH-90 TTH - according to the same page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...ic%C3%B3pteros Entrada en servicio: 2014 [1/10]

(BTW: I've just searched for NH-90 in German oob... and it seems it isn't there! Used from 2012 at least)

Pibwl · #**144** January 25th, 2022, 04:59 PM

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Spain
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581 NH-90 TTH - according to the same page https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...ic%C3%B3pteros Entrada en servicio: 2014 [1/10]

More precisely, according to the quoted article, first two were delivered in 9/16 (in 2014 a contract was signed). I don't know when they became operational in significant number, though.
Spanish designation is HT.29.

Karagin · #**145** April 25th, 2022, 12:47 AM

Seems the Indians are arming their Russian-made helos with Spike NLOS missiles.

https://organiser.org/2022/04/24/777...ided-missiles/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/91049275.cms

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/20...g-missile.html

blazejos · #**146** August 26th, 2022, 04:53 AM

Mil Mi-2 helicopters were traditionally build in Świdnik Polish Peoples Republic for whole Warsaw Pact and friendly States during cold war. So never were build in USSR factories. But after fall of Soviet Union new Ukrainian State which inherit some Mil construction Bureau blueprints starts to manufacture new modernised variant by Motor-Sich with new glass cockpit. So as for now Ukraine is only manufacturer of Mi-2 because Poland stops to build them quite long time ago and they aren't build in Russia.

Mi-2AM-1

Main difference which is possible to see is longer front nose and different engines than in older Mi-2

https://www.globalplanesearch.com/li...il-MI-2/263235

As you can see here there is now fundraiser to sponsor building this helicopter in Motorsich factory what my help also boost local econmy on Ukraine.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/poland-fun...s-for-ukraine/

Before this new variant were build Mi-2MSB in Ukraine
Nose is like in older helicopters probably cockpit wasn't with glass technology but engine is like in this new variant

In 2015 25 were build in armed variant for Ukrainian army

here more photos of this armed variant
https://defence24.pl/sily-zbrojne/pr...glowca-mi-2msb

And here article from 2021 that they were delivered to navy
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukrai...pers-1796.html

blazejos · #**147** September 13th, 2022, 05:20 AM

I just found about another very light helicopter build until war in Kharkiv and most likely used on front-line even if is not official in Ukrainian army probably as a spotter and light liaison.

АК1-3
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/uh/za6.html
https://www.facebook.com/aerocopter.ak1.3/

here destroyed helicopter on front-line
http://www.ukraviaforum.com/index.php/topic,1950.0.html

And here article about Russian conversion of that helicopter to UAV drone
https://defence-blog.com/russia-conv...er-into-drone/

DRG · #**148** November 12th, 2022, 05:02 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=528dbfd87823

How The Ukrainians Wrecked the Russians’ Best Helicopter Regiments
In part....

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The air force went into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine starting in late February with around 100 of the twin-rotor, two-seat Ka-52s. Nine months later it has lost at least 25 of them that independent analysts can confirm.

The best Ka-52 crews got shot down early in the war while trying to penetrate deep behind Ukrainian lines. Now less-skilled crews are easy targets for ever bolder Ukrainian air defenders.

On paper, the Ka-52 is one of the best attack helicopters in the world. With its better optics, night-vision devices and precision missiles than the other main Russian gunship types, the Mil Mi-24 and Mil Mi-28, the Ka-52 initially was a specialist. The Russian air force assigned the type to support special operations forces, especially at night.

The Ka-52 crews’ superior training—a prerequisite for commando ops—made them invaluable to Russian planners in the first few weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, as haphazardly prepared Russian brigades barreled across the border with Ukraine and headed toward Kyiv. The goal: to destroy the Ukrainian government and force the Ukrainian armed forces to surrender.

Russian brigades found themselves deep behind Ukrainian lines. Their communications breaking down. Their logistics fraying. The Kremlin leaned heavily on the Ka-52s to support the troops on the bleeding edge of a risky war plan.

“During the battle for Kyiv, Mi-24 and Mi-28 gunships operated alongside the Ka-52 in the hunter-killer role at night, as well as in daylight,” the RUSI team wrote. “However, typically night operations of this kind have been flown by the Ka-52 fleet due to their superior night-vision equipment.”

The Ukrainians threw everything they had at the Ka-52s and other Russian helicopters, hitting them with anti-tank missiles and even blowing them up on the ground with artillery and drones. But it was the Ukrainians’ thousands of short-range, infrared-guided, man-portable air-defense systems—including American-made Stingers—that killed the most Ka-52 crews.

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The Ka-52 crews now have settled on two main tactics. They, like the Mi-24 and Mi-28 crews, often lob unguided rockets in high ballistic arcs. Ballistic launch allows the crews to stay on the Russian side of the front line, where the MANPADS threat is somewhat lighter.

But the ballistic attack method is wildly inaccurate. “Sufficient only to force Ukrainian forces in the open to take cover, or to fix dug-in units in place until the impacts subside,” is how the RUSI study described the method.

The more accurate alternative—to fire a Vikhr anti-tank missile from several miles away—also helps to keep Ka-52 crews on the safer side of the line of contact. But there’s a downside.

The 90-pound Vikhr is a “beam-rider.” A Ka-52 crew must hover a few hundred feet off the ground, shoot a laser beam at the target from as far as six miles away, then fire the missile, which follows the laser all the way to the target.

The problem is, the firing helicopter can’t move until the missile hits. And that can take tens of seconds—an eternity when increasingly skilled Ukrainian MANPADS shooters are nearby. So even after abandoning deep-penetration operations, the Ka-52 crews keep getting shot down.

Aeraaa · #**149** November 12th, 2022, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DRG

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=528dbfd87823

How The Ukrainians Wrecked the Russians’ Best Helicopter Regiments
In part....

Quote:

The air force went into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine starting in late February with around 100 of the twin-rotor, two-seat Ka-52s. Nine months later it has lost at least 25 of them that independent analysts can confirm.

The best Ka-52 crews got shot down early in the war while trying to penetrate deep behind Ukrainian lines. Now less-skilled crews are easy targets for ever bolder Ukrainian air defenders.

On paper, the Ka-52 is one of the best attack helicopters in the world. With its better optics, night-vision devices and precision missiles than the other main Russian gunship types, the Mil Mi-24 and Mil Mi-28, the Ka-52 initially was a specialist. The Russian air force assigned the type to support special operations forces, especially at night.

The Ka-52 crews’ superior training—a prerequisite for commando ops—made them invaluable to Russian planners in the first few weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, as haphazardly prepared Russian brigades barreled across the border with Ukraine and headed toward Kyiv. The goal: to destroy the Ukrainian government and force the Ukrainian armed forces to surrender.

Russian brigades found themselves deep behind Ukrainian lines. Their communications breaking down. Their logistics fraying. The Kremlin leaned heavily on the Ka-52s to support the troops on the bleeding edge of a risky war plan.

“During the battle for Kyiv, Mi-24 and Mi-28 gunships operated alongside the Ka-52 in the hunter-killer role at night, as well as in daylight,” the RUSI team wrote. “However, typically night operations of this kind have been flown by the Ka-52 fleet due to their superior night-vision equipment.”

The Ukrainians threw everything they had at the Ka-52s and other Russian helicopters, hitting them with anti-tank missiles and even blowing them up on the ground with artillery and drones. But it was the Ukrainians’ thousands of short-range, infrared-guided, man-portable air-defense systems—including American-made Stingers—that killed the most Ka-52 crews.

and further

Quote:

The Ka-52 crews now have settled on two main tactics. They, like the Mi-24 and Mi-28 crews, often lob unguided rockets in high ballistic arcs. Ballistic launch allows the crews to stay on the Russian side of the front line, where the MANPADS threat is somewhat lighter.

But the ballistic attack method is wildly inaccurate. “Sufficient only to force Ukrainian forces in the open to take cover, or to fix dug-in units in place until the impacts subside,” is how the RUSI study described the method.

The more accurate alternative—to fire a Vikhr anti-tank missile from several miles away—also helps to keep Ka-52 crews on the safer side of the line of contact. But there’s a downside.

The 90-pound Vikhr is a “beam-rider.” A Ka-52 crew must hover a few hundred feet off the ground, shoot a laser beam at the target from as far as six miles away, then fire the missile, which follows the laser all the way to the target.

The problem is, the firing helicopter can’t move until the missile hits. And that can take tens of seconds—an eternity when increasingly skilled Ukrainian MANPADS shooters are nearby. So even after abandoning deep-penetration operations, the Ka-52 crews keep getting shot down.

Well, it feels like beating a dead horse again but...

...helos in the game are WAAAY too resilient. Their countermeasures are godly effective (to the point that no SAM can have more than 5% chance of hitting them), but even the few times that are hit, barely if any damage is scored. I remember this in the WW3 scenarios where Ka-52s are the vehicles from hell that absolutely dominate open field warfare and force you to hide and try to take potshots at them with ATGMs when hovering (!!!)

If this and large caliber HE effectiveness vs. tanks is improved, then the game is perfect.

disclaimer: I havent played the latest patch extensively, so some of these stuff may have already been fixed.

DRG · #**150** November 12th, 2022, 12:33 PM

There had been some tweaks last time and I HAVE seen >5% "to hit" and I HAVE seen gunship helos taken down by manpads but this is on our "to investigate further" list. Just had a conversation with Andy about that when we start work probably January. We are thinking ( but have NOT yet fully investigated ) that like the glorious AT defensive systems allegedly common on all those Russian tanks now scrap metal that perhaps the EW ratings for the helos are a bit "generous".....BUT it may be that the "issue" is with the SAM/ manpads. That's what we need to investigate.

Remember the game is built on a lot of guesswork as "real life" data like we are getting now is rare. There has not been wide-open European combined arms combat on this scale since 1945 so there is a bit of a tsunami of data coming in

This type of thing harkens back to the game's very roots. I remember referring to the German HT's in the original SP as the "Murder Machines"