Mod: Djinnibad - Nomads and Genies

[Ylvali]

Aezeal said:
Yeah but I think they actually rode dromedars and not camels

Yep, so my point is they shouldn�t be called "camel archers" or the like. Better to call them "Beduin archer" or something. BTW I�m not sure that beduins ever used bows. I think not actually. Arab archers should probably be on foot from a historical POW.

[Aezeal]

we have dervish and nomads.. good enough for me
and in genies we have marid and efriti

As hero's I'm thinking Alladin (stealth) and Sinbad (sailing) for EA

And prince (of persia) of course

[Wrana]

To Yivali:
Well, you are wrong - they are both camels. The one-humped one is, correctly, dromedary which is remains today only as domesticated, while the two-humped one is called Bactrian and can be sometimes met in wild. Mostly in Middle Asia deserts, as it name suggests (Bactria was a country somewhat to the east of Caspian Sea). They are different species of the same genus. Also, Bactrians are MORE OFTEN used as beasts of burden, while Dromedaries are MORE OFTEN used as mounts. However, this isn't law & they are mostly interchangeble. Quality is often more important - best riding camels can run faster than horses, while worst... but quality of caravaneers is even more important in such cases.

And you can look some historical information either at the beginning of this thread or in one called somewhat like "1001 nights"...

To Aezeal:
Considering prince of Persia - remember that before Mohammed limited Muslims to 4 wives, harems in the region could get really big. So such princes could (& did) often be fielded by regiments! Do you offer to make them a troop type?

[Endoperez]

Princes as units!

Perhaps something in the description of the djinn units? Or make the dervish sons of a djinn and a human wife?

[NTJedi]

I've been developing a Persian/Arabian nation since the middle of 2007... shared a few messages with KO during 2007. The nation design is different, yet I'm sure there will be some similiarities because of Persian/Arabian history and its myths. Hope this doesn't cause any upset feelings.

[Aezeal]

No problem... do you have sprites I can steal?

any tips for kewl creatures I could use?

[Wrana]

To NT Jedi:
No upset feelings, of course! In fact, it's you who could have them & in this case I can offer sincerest apologies from my humble self!
Arabo-Persian version will be for MA, while LA will most probably Turkey-based. EA as we agreed should be based on pre-Islamic Arabs with their genies (or genies with their Arabs! ).
And what was your idea for composition? Any other ideas in this discussion would also be appreciated..

[NTJedi]

Aezeal said:
No problem... do you have sprites I can steal?

any tips for kewl creatures I could use?

I only have about 10 working sprites, took me all of my free time today to complete the logo and flag for the nation. I'm a perfectionist so the drawing takes me forever. I use to do oil paintings with very nice results yet it took way too much time for me to be satisfied with a finished result. I told KO that I'd try to be finished by Oct of 2007, but events in my life took free time away and altered my plans. As special thanks to KO for his devotion to Dominions_3... I will send him my nation first when it's finished.
I don't have any sprites I'm willing to share at this moment. If there's any sprites from your nations which I find interesting I'll make sure to ask first for permission. If I ask to borrow any sprites it will probably be a common unit/animal.

Tips on creatures... well there's the Phoenix from Arab history. The current Phoenix in Dominions_3 is only available as a pretender and seems weak in my opinion, like a large pelican. I haven't read all the posts, but it looks like you're moving along great!

Wrana said:
To NT Jedi:
No upset feelings, of course! In fact, it's you who could have them & in this case I can offer sincerest apologies from my humble self!
Arabo-Persian version will be for MA, while LA will most probably Turkey-based. EA as we agreed should be based on pre-Islamic Arabs with their genies (or genies with their Arabs! ).
And what was your idea for composition? Any other ideas in this discussion would also be appreciated..

My nation is early age... I'm still organizing the ideas for the nation, but it's moving along. It's like a giant puzzle and historical information helps me place pieces together. Anytime I work on this nation I'll have 10 or more windows open. I plan to release a balanced MP version and a version which can be used for providing a stronger computer opponent.

[Wrana]

To Aezeal:
Regarding Alladin - I think he's out of question, as both Heroes I made already ARE stealthy, & have special abilities on top of this.
And Shai-Hulud I think would be better as Pretender for LA...
BTW on Pretenders: I think Obelisk should be included, as well as Sun Disk & Glyph. Another possible candidate is Father of Serpents who is straight out of Shah-name. Other possibilities are Lord of War or someone similar, as well as lion-headed guy who usually leads Machaka. Plus those who are given to all by definition...
To NT Jedi:
And what is your information on Phoenix? If possible, give a source(s) of this also.. IIRC, it came from late antiquity's bestiaries & wasn't present in Arabic folklore (but appeared in books inspired by Greeks & Romans)...

[NTJedi]

There's several online references for the Phoenix coming from Arabic folklore. A search on just .edu websites provides many sources for origins of the phoenix which includes Arabic folklore. The wikipedia although may not be 100% accurate in itself usually provides sources.