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January 18th, 2024, 06:56 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
HAWK comes out of the shadows and is seen for the first time in Ukraine in clear photos.
https://twitter.com/markito0171/stat...06809770213544
Noteworthy: Missiles still have US ARMY painted on them, and the date of mfg of that missile is July 1981.
Another photo shows that Army/USMC missiles are mixed together
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January 18th, 2024, 06:58 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
Another crazy one off to make Don and Andy's head hurt.
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/...06706152071223
Ukrainian BMP hull with a Russian BMD-2 turret. I guess pieced together from salvage -- take 4 wrecked vehicles to get one working vehicle.
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January 19th, 2024, 05:15 AM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
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Interestingly they are still in the desert tan paint....maybe a little more "used" looking now
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January 19th, 2024, 11:02 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
I think AFU has two bradley colors now:
1.) Initial Bradleys delivered in teh initial tranche; these were repainted in AFU Green.
2.) Replacement bradleys delivered to replace losses -- about 15 were delivered -- the famous T-90 killer is one of these and seems to be desert tan base color -- no time to repaint, replace losses RFN.
It seems like AFU mix-match external armor as needed ; the Bradley T-90 killer is mostly desert tan, but has green ERA blocks; while I've seen AFU green bradleys with desert ERA blocks.
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January 20th, 2024, 07:51 AM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
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I think AFU has two bradley colors now:
1.) Initial Bradleys delivered in teh initial tranche; these were repainted in AFU Green.
2.) Replacement bradleys delivered to replace losses -- about 15 were delivered -- the famous T-90 killer is one of these and seems to be desert tan base color -- no time to repaint, replace losses RFN.
It seems like AFU mix-match external armor as needed ; the Bradley T-90 killer is mostly desert tan, but has green ERA blocks; while I've seen AFU green bradleys with desert ERA blocks.
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So basically... "Anything goes"
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January 20th, 2024, 11:55 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
During Desert Shield/Storm I only had one desert uniform, my other (and a 2nd spare in my "in the rear gear") was standard forest cammo.
Most of the equipment was green when it arrived in theater but was repainted to desert.
Now that we're more-or-less done in Iraq/Afghanistan I expect everything to be repainted green over the next few years.
But certain items (i.e. ERA blocks) will be used "as is" till the stocks are gone.
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January 21st, 2024, 03:34 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
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Apropos of the earlier debate; the Bradley has been absolutely mogging places...there's tons of footage of two Bradleys engaging a T-90M and coming out the victor.
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New footage of it showing 25mm effect on that T-90M
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/sta...50720374256047
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Ah.... sweet irony
Video Games Helped Ukrainian Bradley Gunner Win Duel With Russian T-90M Tank
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The Ukrainian Bradley Fighting Vehicle gunner whose attack on a Russian T-90M Breakthrough tank was captured in a viral video says playing video games helped prepare him for that engagement.
In an interview with the Ukrainian TCH media outlet, that soldier, identified only as “Serhiy,” explained he’d just recently returned to Ukraine in December from Bradley training in Germany. Also the vehicle commander, he and his driver, Oleksandr, were only on their second mission together. Members of the 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade, their job was to protect troops in a trench under fire from Russian tanks.
Going up against a heavily armored T-90M, Russia's most advanced frontline tank armed with a 125mm cannon, with the Bradley's 25mm chain gun was risky, said Serhiy.
“Yes, it was very scary,” he said. “But I think we did well.”
“I can’t express what it means to see a tank in the sights,” said Serhiy. “In training, I was saying, ‘God forbid I see a tank in the sights.’ It so happened that I did, and very close.”
“There was another crew that came first. It didn’t work out, so we had to muster up the courage and go.”
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ct_source=pitc
There are several comments. This one is interesting
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But was impressive but not reported in the two articles dedicated to this event, was the coordination needed between the Bradleys and drone operators to take down that T-90.
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Which is what I suggested when I posted that scenario I built of the incident
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January 21st, 2024, 04:56 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
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Which is what I suggested when I posted that scenario I built of the incident
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Mini-drones are spectacular at spotting targets for ATGMs!
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January 23rd, 2024, 07:35 PM
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
More craziness (at this point it might be worth putting all this stuff into BLUE or RED to save Russian slots.)
https://twitter.com/CovertShores/sta...53432854196286
and
https://twitter.com/JanR210/status/1749551826494456222
The Russians are now fitting T-80B hulls with RBU-6000 naval launchers to fire RGB-60 bombs (212mm rockets).
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Re: Question about Ukraine OOB...
Ah, so they have reinvented the Matilda Hedgehog, then?
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