OT - Scientific proof that there is no afterlife! - Page 12

deccan · #**111** August 21st, 2003, 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by Loser:
In a quick search, I've pulled up nineteen books by Mr. Darwin, though with a single duplication. That's just on the Gutenberg site. As a naturalist he is certain to have written many other books and papers that have not been as well remembered.

The most significant of these (aside from Origin of course), is probably THE EXPRESSION OF THE EMOTIONS IN MAN AND ANIMALS .

Tigbit · #**112** August 21st, 2003, 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The very root of philosophy is logical arguments... it can be used to try to prove assumptions, yes. That is how science works, incidentally. But, the philosophy itself is still all logic. Of course, this is not to say that noone ever misuses it or gets it wrong...

Nope. Way off here. Philosophy is purely a mental playground where anyone can flesh out a fanciful idea and not have to worry about proving anything. In philosophy you are not required to support your view, it is nice if you are able to and it does lend some credence to the view you are expressing, but not all important. Philosophy is now mainly for those who need to buy time in college or university till they decide what exactly to do with their lives. Philosophy is mental filler.

Science is the search for understanding and explanation by the employment of strict rules.

Religion is simply belief and requires no support whatsoever.

Fyron · #**113** August 21st, 2003, 05:09 AM

Tigbit, I am actually not way off at all. What I described is what philosophy is, and has been for centuries. I suggest you pick up some philosophy text books.

Jack Simth · #**114** August 21st, 2003, 05:21 AM

Actually Fyron, you are off. If philospophy were logic alone, then the final answer of ethics would have come long ago. As it hasn't, philosophy is not logic alone.

Fyron · #**115** August 21st, 2003, 05:34 AM

Why do you claim that? Different people can use different paths of logic to arrive at different conclusions. Philosophical arguments are never the end-all, beat-all that solve all of life's problems.

Tigbit · #**116** August 21st, 2003, 05:50 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Tigbit, I am actually not way off at all. What I described is what philosophy is, and has been for centuries. I suggest you pick up some philosophy text books.

Do you realize how extensive a library one can build in the space of 10 years? Now this is a library that has no fiction in it at all. I have a mix of science, spirituality, and philosophy, some history, loads of reference books and various others that don't really seem to fit in any one catagory. I assure you, Fyron that I am very well read. It seems that you have much to learn yet, and that's okay because we always have something we need to learn.

Philosophy is far from the pure logic that Aristotle professed so long ago. Back then he felt that pure thought alone could understand the world. Anyone who has reached their first year of highschool knows that Aristotle was very incorrect about a great many of his ideas. Philosophy was that sad attempt to make sense of the world without the checks and ballances to root out the most-certainly-incorrect from the more-than-likely. (Personal opinion coming up) Now all philosphy has become is a course that one can take so that they can spew off a few quotes from dead people to make themselves feel like they know something. Few people who actually go through a phil course will continue on and actually have something to offer in the way of unique thought. Those that do go far and actually believe that they have found their calling as a philosopher write a book or few of some-to-great value and become professors for the next generation of wannabe know-it-alls.

If you really want pure logic, then science is the dicipline you are looking for, not philosophy.

Fyron · #**117** August 21st, 2003, 05:57 AM

I was never talking about lame college students that never had an original thought, I was talking about philosophy itself, which is indeed still all logic based.

Tigbit · #**118** August 21st, 2003, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I was never talking about lame college students that never had an original thought, I was talking about philosophy itself, which is indeed still all logic based.

I will not get into a is/isn't argument, Fyron and I need not repeat myself.

rextorres · #**119** August 21st, 2003, 06:13 AM

Weight of a soul!!!? I'm still trying to figure out how many angels fit on the head of a pin!

rextorres · #**120** August 21st, 2003, 06:37 AM

Trying to find a solution to MY question I came across this anecdote. It seems somewhat relevant.

http://www.rbs0.com/baromete.htm