Ukraine OOB New and Old Toys

[DRG]

The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model that can be ready faster, with the aim of getting the 70-ton battle powerhouses to the war zone in eight to 10 months, U.S. officials told The Associated Press.

I had 9/123 but I just changed it to 10.......eventually we'll know the correct date because under the circumstances telling the world they won't be delivered until late fall is just giving too much info away. If you want to play head games with the other side tell them something is going to take longer then make it quicker
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-r...ciated%20Press.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Ethier way M1A1/M1A2C Exports are ready to go as we had already in particular for the M1A1 broken done those numbers in a separate post in the MBT Thread or maybe this one a couple of months back.

Hurry up and wait. In the meanwhile I have bad news to post elsewhere.

Regards,
Pat

[MarkSheppard]

Looks liek they're trying to slide things in under the wire for the 2023 updates as well..

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

CHALLENGER 2 EXPORT has been completed for this next patch. Where it concerns any Export tank we've developed thus far the only action taken was to do the best we could to configure the armor levels w/o DU or stated Classified Armor as with CHALLENGER 2) which has covered quite extensively already in the Forum/Threads.

By the way of a reminder, we did this last year with both M1A2P and M1A2T (USA M1A2C/SEP 3 Export variants.) the same principle applies to all other export tanks you'll see submitted as well with exception of the "older" tanks such as LEOPARD 2A4 as they are generationally not irrelevant as much as less current.

All of this has also been covered under the "umbrella" of the DU Armor issue and just as extensively.

Not last year or in the coming Patch submission have we seen anything to suggest that if a country supplying tanks using DU Ammo saying they're not sending the same ammo as their tanks are using.

The only country I know of with an Ammo restriction is South Korea regarding KSTAM, I've covered that already in regard to the K2PL. That's out in the web.

This a classified weapon and if you look at a map, you'll understand why they won't send them out the country.

And finally, where is Mr. Xi as we speak right now? Moscow, Russia since yesterday in direct talks with Mr. Putin. I believe the talks will on going for a couple of more days.

Main topics Ukraine and Taiwan and what's the best price per barrel of Russian oil for Chinese export VT-4A tanks (Or other weapons.)? China, I believe I saw is now maybe Russia's #1 oi importer oil or very close to it.

So, tank ammo the skies almost the limit. Besides look at all the Artillery and SAM "AMMO" we've given the Ukraine EXCALIBUR, BONUS, NASAM and STAM-T etc. etc.

Russia has been using them for a few years now.

This might be useful.
https://www.icbuw.eu/depleted-uraniu...20last%20years.(You might just find the importer list VERY INTERESTING.)

Bottomline our only real concern unless we have other information (KSTAM), is Classified Armor which is readily available concerning web data on tanks.

Regards,
Pat

[blazejos]

Ukraine aircraft's photos in two types of camo
Early 90's camo in some way similar to soviet one and then digital camo from 2010 ...

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

This might be useful.
https://www.icbuw.eu/depleted-uraniu...20last%20years.(You might just find the importer list VERY INTERESTING.)

Kind of a classic case of the weapon vs armor progression that plagues BOTH tanks and navies.

One day armor is essentially useless then someone invents a new type ...
Then the weapons are near useless ...
Then someone invents a new weapon/type of ammo ...
Then armor is essentially useless ...
Then ...
Then ...
Then ...

Blame the guy that invented bronze as a replacement for flint and made leather armor near useless

[DRG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tKN9b88-h4

[blazejos]

Originally Posted by DRG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tKN9b88-h4

Two soliders against 12 and a tank excelent material for mini scenerio on small trenches map

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by blazejos

Two soldiers against 12 and a tank excellent material for mini scenario on small trenches map

Problem is if you use default weapons you have about a 1% (or slightly higher) chance of your two soldiers hitting the 12 whereas they have 12x1% chance to hit.

[DRG]

It is not the kind of engagement the game was designed to simulate