[OT] Nation bashing

[Unknown_Enemy]

Yesterday I just tumbled into this article from the Opinion Journal of the Wall Street Journal. I was so astonished by it that I have to share it.

Here it is.

Rabid Weasels
The sickness of "old Europe" is a danger to the world.

BY BRENDAN MINITER
Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST

A top German official visited The Wall Street Journal's editorial offices Last week and tried to make a moral case for allowing Saddam Hussein to remain in power. Instead he revealed more about why Germany wants to keep the dictator in Baghdad and the need for the U.S. to press for reform in "old Europe" as well as in the Middle East.

"Saddam is a bad guy," German Interior Minister Otto Schily conceded, "but he is no Hitler." Hitler was much, much worse, he explained; he well understood the history of the 1930s and '40s. It was as if Mr. Schily, and the half dozen German officials at his side, thought everyone else was listening to their accents and imagining them wearing Nazi uniforms. He seemed determined to show that his nation had learned that aggression was wrong. The inspectors are working, he pleaded; we just need more of them, "perhaps as many as 5,000." As the meeting broke up, the minister's spokesman said plaintively: "I hope we can still be friends."

These are not the words of a self-confident leader meeting the security challenges of today. They are the mumblings of a defeated nation, perpetually holding its head in shame for its past atrocities. Even today, more than 50 years since World War II ended, German officials cannot attend a conference or take to a public stage without in words or demeanor apologizing for their country's past. It is no surprise then that Germany cannot muster the will to make a moral, military stand.

Germany labors under heavy socialist policies--high taxation and crushing regulations that suppress growth. Its economy can barely employ German citizens, and many immigrants--a lot of whom are Muslim--are prohibited from working, forced to sit idle for years on welfare. Germany needs to do a better job at assimilating its immigrants. It can do that by cutting taxes, removing obstacles to business expansion and allowing immigrants greater freedom in taking jobs and starting businesses.

This, of course, won't stamp out Islamic radicalism. To do that Germany needs tougher laws, tougher law enforcement and the moral courage to stand up to thugs and thug nations. It doesn't help that Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who won re-election Last year on an anti-American platform, pursues a policy of appeasement with Saddam Hussein. Terrorists thrive on fecklessness.

Al Qaeda operatives are watching. And they can only be encouraged by the trial of accused Sept. 11 co-conspirator Mounir el Matassadeq, who is charged in Germany with more than 3,000 counts of accessory to murders. Prosecutors asked for the maximum sentence--15 years behind bars. By contrast, in America John Walker Lindh--who wasn't charged with treason or murder and wasn't connected to the Sept. 11 plot--cut a deal with the prosecution for a lenient sentence of 20 years.

Germany isn't alone in its blinkered priorities. French bureaucrats patrol the streets at night, looking for any business with the audacity to violate the 35-hour workweek. Meanwhile violent crime goes unchecked. Like other European countries, France refuses to assimilate immigrants. Consequently, there's a large population of Muslims--many from former French colonies--who are held in poverty collecting welfare checks for years.
France doesn't take crime seriously. Prisoners, even felons serving long sentences, are allowed to wear street clothes inside prison. This makes it relatively easy for prisoners to blend in with visitors and simply walk out the front door. That's how Ismael Berasategui Escudero, an alleged Basque terrorist, was able to trade places with his brother and escape from Paris's La Sante prison in August. Guards didn't even know he was gone until the brother stepped forward six days later.

That's hardly the most sensational French prison break in recent years. Prisoners have walked out after accomplices faxed in fake release papers. Others get out in escapes involving helicopters lowering ropes into the prison yard. That's how three convicts escaped from Draguignan prison, a Corsican drug lord got out of Borgo prison on the French Mediterranean island, and two convicts were able to flee the Aix-Luynes prison in Provence--all in 2001. "All of these were facilitated by rules prohibiting guards from shooting at helicopters so as to avoid civilian casualties," The Wall Street Journal reported in August.

France, Germany and other Europeans don't have the moral will to stand up to criminals at home or on the international stage. Terrorists know this, and depend on it.

Europe isn't necessarily a lost cause. In many ways the continent resembles the U.S. and Britain in the late 1960s and early 1970s, with a sputtering economy, a growing crime rate and a fear of confronting overseas enemies. We know what happened in American and Britain--Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher emerged and brought with them a new set of governing ideas. Those ideas regenerated national confidence, grew economies, rebuilt militaries and eventually arrested crime rates. Now those ideas are leading the world in combating terrorism.
Continental Europe could follow this path. Already, most of the new ideas and policy proposals are coming from the political right. In recent years Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have elected center-right-governments. Eastern Europe is following America's lead. Even Russia enacted a flat tax. There's an emerging network of free market think tanks and activists across Europe. On Friday the Center for the New Europe hosted more than 300 of these political radicals at what it billed as the "Capitalist Ball" held, after hours, on the floor of the Belgian Stock Exchange.

President Bush can and is doing much to hasten this new Europe into dominance on the Continent. It's not an accident that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is openly chastising "old Europe." Rummy wasn't just running his mouth when he bLasted France for undermining NATO by vetoing any plans to defend Turkey. And he knew exactly what he was doing when he grouped Germany with Libya and Cuba as the only nations which have ruled out joining the coalition to liberate Iraq. Matching rhetoric with policy bolsters the right in Europe. Perhaps it will even be enough to topple the axis of weasels.

Mr. Miniter is assistant editor of OpinionJournal.com. His column appears Tuesdays.

Now just a few refutations.

many immigrants--a lot of whom are Muslim--are prohibited from working

Here the article only deals with POLITICAL immigrants : they are allowed to stay in the country to wait for their file to be reviewed. They only gain the definitive right to stay/work live in the country when their case has been accepted. Writing the political immigrants are the general case is just a bad exercise of propaganda.

French bureaucrats patrol the streets at night, looking for any business with the audacity to violate the 35-hour workweek.

duuu ????
In france ???? WERE ARE THEY ????? I NEED THEM NOW !!!
Plain lie. How could someone imagine that in a democratic country ? Did that guy saw that France has a free economy since seven centuries ? Could someone believe that ?????

Meanwhile violent crime goes unchecked.

Could someone find comparisons between... france and USA ? Last time I checked, the stats told me a wildly different story.

Like other European countries, France refuses to assimilate immigrants.

I suppose this is about the same case on german political immigrants.

All of these were facilitated by rules prohibiting guards from shooting at helicopters so as to avoid civilian casualties

Yep. We have the truth here.
The point is : better a criminal breaking out that civilians killed by cross fire. But it can be turned another way : better a criminal free than an innocent executed. Question of choice.

France, Germany and other Europeans don't have the moral will to stand up to criminals at home or on the international stage. Terrorists know this, and depend on it.

Europe has been fighting terrorism since 1970's. But it seems all these has never existed before 11/09 for this newspaper.

Maggie Thatcher emerged and brought with them a new set of governing ideas

For Reagan, I don't know. But for Thatcher, I don't think her legacy is so wonderful. French hospitals in north of France are just full of people coming to get a surgical intervention because there was a 2 years queue in UK.

As a whole, I would bet that this guy never visited anything other than Ritz palace or Georges V Hotel in Paris. But when I read such trash, I wonder if I don't also read some equivallent about USA, biased and lying in the same way this article was.

But what frightens me is that I though the Wall Street Journal was a serious publication.
QUESTION 1
What is published in less prestigious newspapers if this sort of things can appear here ?
QUESTION 2
I did read in several french newspapers that there was a widespread french bashing tendancie in the US. Is it true ? Or is it just a lie from "the other side of the hill" ?

[trooper]

"When one wants to get rid of his dog,
he claims it has scabies" (French common saying)

American media owns to multi-national companies, that give to people what they want to hear. Since the majority of americans seems to be alright for a military action against Iraq, that's the line newspapers will keep. It's not information, it's propaganda and demagogy.

"Dogs bark, but the caravan rolls on..."

[oleg]

Geo, "It is just mine opinion" does not justify telling outright lies. besides, I did't notice any "in my opinion" in the body of the article. Everything the author wrote, he wrote as a presentation of well known facts. That's libel.

[geoschmo]

Oleg, I am not trying to justify it, nor am I attempting to comment one way or the other on whether what the writer said was the truth or not. I was merely pointing out that being on the opinion page puts it in a different Category then if it were on the front page of the newspaper. Much of what is printed on the opinion pages is actually contrary to the thoughts and beliefs of the newspaper editors. It's a forum for opposing viewpoints, as well as a place where the editors can give their opinion and perspective on the "hard news" printed in other places in the paper.

Even if it's all lies, wheter or not is libel is a discussion for the lawyers, which I am not one of. I do know though that the standards used to determine such a thing are different when it comes to editorial commentary or opinion pages.

Geoschmo

[ February 12, 2003, 13:54: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by Unknown_Enemy:
QUESTION 2
I did read in several french newspapers that there was a widespread french bashing tendancie in the US. Is it true ? Or is it just a lie from "the other side of the hill" ?

I spent two weeks in Paris, loved the place.
Everytime I attempted my pitiful efforts at the native language I was asked...
Are you American?
No.
Are you English?
No.
Ahhh...where are you from?
Australia.
Thats good, I like Australians.

If the Americans bash the French I'm sure its perfectly reciprocated in France.

Askan

[Egregius]

It's a horribly hypocritical and bigoted article, but let's leave it at that.

[Wardad]

LOL,
Friends have told me stories about working and living in France. Other friends have played tourist there. I have heard of the French attitude to the US.

From now on, I will never tell another Itallian, Polish, or other ethnic or nationality joke.

They will all be French jokes.
Finally, I am Guilt Free!!!

[ February 12, 2003, 19:17: Message edited by: Wardad ]

[Unknown_Enemy]

From Geo
UE, no offense intended, but were you born yesterday? The French and Americans have had a love/hate relationship going back hundreds of years.

Indeed. But the current trend seems (s-e-e-m-s) to be even worse than when De Gaulle withdraw from NATO.

I have heard of the French attitude to the US.

Indeed the US president is not the most popular of all. But I am still looking for ANY equivalent articles in any serious french newspaper.

[Omega_Prime]

Oh good, a Nation Bashing thread.

Peru is a fag.

[Atrocities]

Yesterday I just tumbled into this article from the Opinion Journal of the Wall Street Journal. I was so astonished by it that I have to share it.

We have this problem in America, its called Free speech, or LWL for Left Wing Liberalism) Sometimes people aflicted with this disease are prone to speak before they think, or say something that is heavily bais toward an idea or concept that they alone have. LWL is a serious condition that affects millions of Americans, and is both a trajic and disabling condition for those who must endure those with LWL.

LWL suffors do not speak for all Americans, however they think they do.

Whether or not the person who wrote the Opinion, has LWL or not is unknown. The problem is people who suffor from LWL often suffor from other conditions such as SBTT, PM, CILTSI, and OPFIM syndrom.

(SBTT is Speaking Before They Think)
(PM, Potty Mouth)
(CILTSI, Call It Like They See It)
(OPFIM, Often Putting Foot In Mouth) Syndrom.

All though many LWL suffors like to think they are speaking for others and often wish to "save" others from their rights, they are more often sufforing from a combination of LWL, SBTT, and OPFIM. Just ask our former Vice President Al Gore.

One LWL concept is that the French when faced with a decesion to fight or surrender, often surrender. LWL suffors believe that if the UN desides to move upon Sadam militarilly, he will demand the French surrender, and they will.

It is regrettable that LWL suffors can not be treated, and that the condition is spreading throughout the US. It is for this reason that many LWL suffors are attempting to hide their affliction by trying to appear as RWL addicts. (RIght Wing Liberalist) Now RWL addicts are a much more up scale clientle, and are often more refined and speak less. There philosphy is simple, Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

By attempting to pass themselves off as RWL addicts, the LWL suffors hope to undermine the positive advances the RWL addicts have made. It is a shame, but most LWL suffors are control freaks who undermine those who have control.

So my advise to you is to ignor the OPINION, and keep the faith that although the French bash us Americans, we love you, the French like brothers.

A quote from an beloved American:

"A rude Frenchman? Who would have thought?" - Robin Williams

I hear Arabic is a hard language to learn. I wish you, the French, the best of luck.

[ February 12, 2003, 22:15: Message edited by: Atrocities ]