Swiss MBT March 1957

drez · #1 November 12th, 2009, 03:32 PM

Started a new PBEM, chose year as March 1957, Opponent chose his nation as Great Britain, so I was comparing MBTs from Switzerland and noticed that the Swiss pz 57 tank has already the L7 105mm while no British Centurions of the time have this gun yet. Is this a mistake? Or could I somehow validly outgun him in the field?

drez

Mobhack · #2 November 12th, 2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by drez

Started a new PBEM, chose year as March 1957, Opponent chose his nation as Great Britain, so I was comparing MBTs from Switzerland and noticed that the Swiss pz 57 tank has already the L7 105mm while no British Centurions of the time have this gun yet. Is this a mistake? Or could I somehow validly outgun him in the field?

drez

The UK Mk 5/2 is possibly a little late. Conqueror was introduced in 55, and almost immediately rendered irrelevant by the introduction of 105mm armed Centurion MBT.

UK Mk 5/2 ISD is therefore more likely to be 56 than 57.

Andy

DRG · #3 November 13th, 2009, 08:51 AM

I think both the Swiss and the Brit version are too early. I'm digging into it now.

Don

Pats · #4 November 13th, 2009, 07:41 PM

Yes I noticed as well the Pz 57 should still have the 20lb and not the 105mm gun.
afaik it's changed in my latest post of obat53.

DRG · #5 November 13th, 2009, 09:47 PM

The Swiss Pz 57 has been corrected. Research is pointing to mid to late 1959 as the earliest for the L7 gun and once I can confirm that the OOB's using it earlier than that will be corrected.

Where's your latest version of obat53 Pats ?

Good catch on the error Drez

Don

drez · #6 November 14th, 2009, 12:05 AM

sure thing! I'm glad I did not take the tanks then would have been gamey

Pats · #7 November 14th, 2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DRG

The Swiss Pz 57 has been corrected. Research is pointing to mid to late 1959 as the earliest for the L7 gun and once I can confirm that the OOB's using it earlier than that will be corrected.

Where's your latest version of obat53 Pats ?

Good catch on the error Drez

Don

My latest version is under the obat53 Switzerland posts, also wrote there the vision is possible incorect.

DRG · #8 November 14th, 2009, 07:52 AM

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My latest version is under the obat53 Switzerland posts, also wrote there the vision is possible incorect.

I've had it so long I forgot I had it

So "Modified Original obat53 (4.5).zip " contains a stock game OOB that you have just made the changes you noted ......correct ?

Did you find a photo for this ??

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Unit 692 - <4.7cm IK 35/41 (class 2 Inf-AT) is assigned to nation 0 Unknown – I can see why; it’s actually a bit a silly picture for it…it’s more like LBM 684 – I’ll try to find a better one

Do you still have the original photos you used to make those PIC's you included ??

Don

Pats · #9 November 14th, 2009, 02:09 PM

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So "Modified Original obat53 (4.5).zip " contains a stock game OOB that you have just made the changes you noted ......correct ?

Yes

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Did you find a photo for this ??

No (I didn't look foor it very hard)

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Do you still have the original photos you used to make those PIC's you included ??

No, because about a month ago I had a HD crash and lost lots of data (I didn't backup everything)..
I had to download my own modified files back from here

Imp · #10 November 14th, 2009, 03:19 PM

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No, because about a month ago I had a HD crash and lost lots of data (I didn't backup everything)..
I had to download my own modified files back from here

Thats a bummer, now take the view its going to happen sometime if you use it a lot. Installing a second hard drive is cheap nowadays so can do a full backup. That way if it crashes just swapdrives you boot from & format old one if it still works. If you buy a new computer transfer the backup drive & copy any stuff over you want & your safe again. Saves loads of time if it goes belly up so money well spent in my view.