Ground Surveillance Radar

[Urban]

I'm looking for info about GSR (range, detection, ect).

In game this kind of devices are a little bit underestimated (low vision range) so :

1) increasing the vision range could be damageable for game balance ?
2) adding a 100 value to fire control will make them target for SEAD weapons but give an unbalanced AA capability :/

Any ideas ?

[Wdll]

There aren't any GSR in this game, right?

About 2), if you don't give it any weapons, how is it going to be of any harm to SEADs?

[Marek_Tucan]

Vision of 60.

2) It might serve as "decoy" for SEAD.

[Urban]

You have GSR but coded as FO/vehicle.

For example :
France oob
Unit 598 VAB RASIT (Radar d'Acquisition et de Surveillance des InTervalles, Acquisition and Interval Monitoring Radar)
Unit 547 VAB RATAC (Radar de Tir pour l'Artillerie de Campagne or Field Artillery Fire Finder Radar)

The RASIT is a GSR used in recon unit to detect, classify, ect
The RATAC is a Arty radar uised for detection of incoming shell, trajectory (not sure about this word), counter fire, and all stuff usefull for an arty unit.

Several type of GSR have been used :
OLIFANT (to 400m for a crawling man to 2600m for a vehicle)
OLIFANT II (maybe the same perf)
RASURA (to 1500m to 5000m)
RASIT (Edit, have found 23km and 40km for detection)

Of course other country using GSR :

USA, Russia, Germany, UK,... almost all country are using GSR

[thatguy96]

The United States fielded GSR in Vietnam, though those early systems were unreliable and generally lacked the capacity of today's systems. I included on in my pack with vision up to 40 to try and mimic this first generation GSR (its probably still too high).

[Marek_Tucan]

too high but only possibility to make it through smoke... Still, how good is GSR at ID the target?

[thatguy96]

Haven't play tested enough, but at 40 its probably much better at detecting things than the PPS-4 and PPS-5 ever were. These systems apparently had serious trouble with ground clutter. I heard an anecdote that one used on the Korean DMZ led the operator to think floating chunks of ice in the river was in fact a potential truck convoy moving across the ice.

[Urban]

You're maybe talking about the AN/PPS-5 GSR ?

I have found a 6000 m detection range for a moving human and up to 10 km for vehicle.

You have also AN/PPS-4,6 or 15 (portable GSR) with a range of 1.5 to 3 km.

FOr the ID i don't know (have never serve on GSR) it's probably the ability to give good informations about movement, speed, heading, size of the spotted thing.

For air detection it's more easy,
- a 800 km/h flying bird is not a bird it's a target .
- a 800 m/s flying bird is no more a bird it's an incoming shell .

[Urban]

Look interesting, have not yet check the source accuracy or credibility

[thatguy96]

Urban said:
You're maybe talking about the AN/PPS-5 GSR ?

Yes, I'm talking about the AN/PPS-5A. I'm sure it could detect things at those ranges, I'm just not sure you'd be able to make them out from all the other stuff it detects and doesn't filter out according to the anecdote heh.