obat 34 Italy

[brummbaer]

Some corrections for oob 34 italy:
unit 015 and 016 M47 Patton: available till mid 1989 (average date);
unit 027 B-1 Centauro "vanilla" entered service in 1991, late in the year. 100 produced before new uparmored version was developed (further 300 delivered till 1996). These first 100 vehicles were put out of service in 2004.
unit 025 C-1 Ariete in service from March 1998. End deliveries of 200 vehicles in July 2001.
Up-powered Ariete is still a dream as for today ;
EF-2000 in Air-to-Surface role is still a wish, and so will be for some years (for every Nation tha have it).

The game depicts two types of mechanized infantry: Bersaglieri and mechanized on wheeled APC. This was not the case: all mechanized infantry was organized as the Bersaglieri, with the latter being somewhat elite (more or less, maybe less, as Guards and Gurkhas in respect to basic infantry in the British Army); so all on VCC-1/2 or M113. No wheeled mech infantry ever existed: only cavalry recon groups experimented the vehicles for some time in early '80s. FIAT 6614/6616 were mainly used by Carabinieri and Police forces.
Sources are from some italian sites and forums, and publications I have, but something can be found in english language I think.
I hope this can help.

[DRG]

I'll put it on the list

Thanks

Don

[brummbaer]

Some further corrections:
unit 077 Pzh2000 available from 1/2008, 70 units to be deliverd within 2009;
unit 019 M60A1(ERA) 10 vehicles leased from USMC and used only in Somalia in 1993/94, I suggest deletion from oob and in case of some Somalia scenario design to put them as "allied" units;
unit 021 Leopard 1A2 in service till 4/2003 in decreasing numbers from early 90s;
units 145/145/151 MLRS available from 1/88, 22 launchers;
unit 163 320mmm (naval) support available till 12/55 in 2 batteries of ten-per-BB;
I add quantities in case you need them for cost calculation.
Some work could be done on other naval calibers, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

[DRG]

While your digging into Italy see what you can find out about the type of "Hovercraft" that's being used by the Italian Armed Forces

Don

[brummbaer]

Do we have a hovercraft? [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif[/img]
Ok, I'll look for it

[DRG]

Well.... the OOB says there is but I'm not sure who put it there and since it's only named " Hovercraft" I'm a bit suspicious.

Don

[brummbaer]

The Italian Navy website (www.marina.difesa.it) doesn't say a word about it. Not even among future constructions. They sure would if we had some.

[DRG]

I tend to agree with you but I'm somewhat reluctant to remove it based on not being able to find info. IDK when it was added or why. If anyone else can shed some light on this I would appreciate it

Don

[brummbaer]

You could send it in the future, say from 2009 on. One never knows, just as for the Ariete C3/C4.
After all italian amphibious capability has increased somewhat in the last years and the trend may go on (fat chance... ).

Also, units 146 and 149 FIROS 30: it never entered in service. It was deleted at the end of the Cold War.

[DRG]

brummbaer said:
Also, units 146 and 149 FIROS 30: it never entered in service. It was deleted at the end of the Cold War.

You are going to have to clarify this remark. Those units go Out Of Service in 1990. Are you suggesting it never existed at all ???

Don