Leopard 2A4 and 2A5 inconsistency

[pdoktar]

OOB02 Poland units 020, 022, 023
OOB33 Spain units 030, 031
OOB46 Austria units 019, 020
OOB65 Finland units 022, 023, 024

(Leo2A4) have differing armor values compared to West German Leo2A4 armor.

OOB53 Switzerland units 026, 027(PZ 87H2) have old armor values for their Leo 2A5s (differing from the current West German OOB values).

OOB66 Sweden unit 030, 355, 357 (Strv 121) have Leo 2A5 values as armor, yet those vehicles (Strv 121) are Leo 2A4 configuration.

[DRG]

And are you absolutely certain that there has not been "local" modifications done to these tanks which accounts for the "differences" ??

Don

[Pats]

I can tell for sure that the swiss Pz87H2 (OOB53, unit 026 and 027) is the Leo 2A4 plus "local" modification it's not a Leo2A5! there are in fact further modifications now and in progress... but all based on the 2A4.
In fact in some kind they more like an A6 allready...

[DRG]

So what does this tell me ? That the Icon is wrong for the Pz87H2 as well?? And what exactly ARE these further modifications now and in progress? Could it be the armour has been upgraded to A5 specs? Your own OOB ( both new and old ) has the same armour for that model as the V3 release OOB and yes the turret front armour is considerably more than either a A4 , A5 or even A6. So what SHOULD the armour be then ? It's all well and good to say it's wrong, it's another thing to provide what is correct. So what should the armour be in a Pz87H2 ?? the same as the last 2a4 model ?

Don

[Pats]

What I know (because I've been standing on one..) is, that the turret is a Swiss made thing and the thickness of the armor, well, that you won't find out except you buy one...
Even the German A5 is a modification of the A4 there are only a few new built A5 the rest are refitted A4 (as far I know from talking to other army members...).
The armor can be even altered with extra plates... so, yes it is still the latest A4 model but with extra armor, a different turret and gun and absolutely not the same as the German A4 or A5 or A6.
The Picture therefore could be still lbm4403. Both the icons (1416 and 1418) are actually wrong, because the back of the Swiss Leo2 looks completely different - they have an extra muffler(?). So I just left the lbm and the Icon because they look cooler

I like it how it is. The armor is not that different to the German version and for the game play it doesn't really matter. Does it?

[DRG]

Pats said:
What I know (because I've been standing on one..) is, that the turret is a Swiss made thing and the thickness of the armor, well, that you won't find out except you buy one...
Even the German A5 is a modification of the A4 there are only a few new built A5 the rest are refitted A4 (as far I know from talking to other army members...).
The armor can be even altered with extra plates... so, yes it is still the latest A4 model but with extra armor, a different turret and gun and absolutely not the same as the German A4 or A5 or A6.
The Picture therefore could be still lbm4403. Both the icons (1416 and 1418) are actually wrong, because the back of the Swiss Leo2 looks completely different - they have an extra muffler(?). So I just left the lbm and the Icon because they look cooler

I like it how it is. The armor is not that different to the German version and for the game play it doesn't really matter. Does it?

OK, it's it's based on the A4 but modified so it doesn't even look like the German one then the earlier comment made at the start of this thread

OOB53 Switzerland units 026, 027(PZ 87H2) have old armor values for their Leo 2A5s (differing from the current West German OOB values).

would be incorrect...yes?? ...........since we know it's "it is still the latest A4 model but with extra armor" how much extra armour seems to be debatable but you say "The armor is not that different to the German version" so that 180 of front HEAT armour would be wrong then if the "The armor is not that different to the German version" when the German version of a 2a4 Turret HEAT armour is 100 and a 2A5's ( and A6 )front turret HEAT armour is 130

That 180 BTW makes it THE highest rated Front Turret HEAT armoured tank in the game. Could that be why you ".... like it how it is"

Don

[Pats]

good point but where are those 180 original coming from is it just a fault then.
I don't know it. I didn't go and measure the two tanks out...

3 and 8 seems pretty close, so might be an idea to change it to 130 then. At least what I know is, the German [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Germany.gif[/img] and the Swiss [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Flag_Switzerland.gif[/img] manufacturer are working close together (very close) [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon07.gif[/img]

[pdoktar]

The original front turret HEAT armour of 180 comes from the previous official versions of SPMBT game oobs. I don�t exactly remember what version it was, maybe SPMBT v.1.5 or earlier(not WinSPMBT). This old varsion gave Leo 2A5 front turret steel of 89 and HEAT of 180 (in the german oob and others too). Also the the 2A4 had front turret steel of 64 and now in WinSPMBT it has 70. So what I am thinking is that when GER OOB was changed to Leo2A4 front turret steel of 70, some of the oobs was not corrected, because I see that some were. Also the side armors are differing from the GER Leo2A4, and if somebody has made modifications.. well I don�t know.

But my point is that this must be a OOB check error, that happened when it was decided by you developers that Leo2A5 MBT frontal HEAT armors were too thick, and has remained since.

[DRG]

OK it's on the to do list and if ANYONE has a top view of the Swiss Leo 2 turret please forward it

Thanks

Don

[Djuice]

Don't have a top-view, just a top/down side view.


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