OUCH! PLANETS ANGRY. PLEASE HELP!

[gwmarks]

I have a nice collection of 6 planets on turn 9. But they have all turned angry. I'm just now beginning to research troops, but that will take 5 turns or so.

Does anyone have advice for me?

Has anyone figured out just how happiness works and what affects it?

I've read the manual, but it doesn't help much. 1) I have good relations with three players; 2) no battles yet, and no losses. 3) I'm producing ships like crazy.
The manual says that each of these should increase happiness, but I've gone from happy to angry in just a few turns.

[Nitram Draw]

Wow your race is be one ungrateful bunch Mine usually wait 40-50 turns before they get pissed at me.
What type of people are you, peacful, bloodthirsty or neutral. Each one reacts a little different to treaties, ships, colonies etc.
You can build an urban pacification center in each system, this will usually do the job.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Which "Happiness Type" did you select for your empire? The "Bloodthirsty" and "neutral" happiness types get angry when you make treaties.

All happiness types tend to get upset about other empires' ships and colonies in your systems.

I usually just build Urban Pacification Centers (or Temporal Vacation Facilities, if I've taken Temporal Tech as a racial trait) in every system. It's too difficult to keep the people happy without those facilities.

[Hydraa]

I guess you took the neutral happiness type. It has a little better natural increase for happiness but almost everything you do is negative happiness. Including colonizing a world, any battle in system regardless of outcome, your ships in system or sector have zero influence on happiness, enemy ships are negative

Bloodthirsty also have a less happiness decrease for colonizing

[Suicide Junkie]

Suggestion: Ships in orbit will improve happiness. Perhaps you could build a bunch of escorts, park them in orbit and mothball them so they don't cost maintenance?

[gwmarks]

Thanks for the comments. This is still a bit weird.

I'm neutral. There are no colonies or other races in my home system, and just one allied ship in my second system.

I had no idea that just about everything you do as neutral negatively affects happiness. I don't see this in the manual!

The idea of producing and mothballing ships is intriguing. Are you sure that a mothballed ship increases happiness?

Does anyone know the relative impact of a orbiting ship versus troops?

How many troops would you put on a planet?

[Hydraa]

suicide junkie: It will not work for neutral happiness
from the .txt file for neutral
Our Ship in Sector := 0
Our Ship in System := 0
actually ships are bad in that
Any Ship Constructed := 1

The only 'postive' modifiers for neutrals are :
New Treaty Non Intercourse := -100
New Treaty None := -100
Our Troops on Planet := -2

and a natural decrease 2.5 times more than bloodthirsty or neutral.

[This message has been edited by Hydraa (edited 23 March 2001).]

[gwmarks]

Hydraa, can you tell me what is the scale for the numbers you refer to. How many points is it from angry to (is the next level "revolt"?).

If troops are -2, does is matter how many troops you garrison?

Also, orbiting ships make NO difference?

It looks as if the manual is positively misleading for neutral!

[Hydraa]

I will add in some more details later as I have been wondering about multiple troops myself.

The manual seems to have a piece of fine print imbedded in it
'Keep in mind that the Happiness Modifiers displayed below are for a "Peaceful" racial happiness type.'

[henk brouwer]

quote:

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Originally posted by Hydraa:
suicide junkie: It will not work for neutral happiness
from the .txt file for neutral
Our Ship in Sector := 0
Our Ship in System := 0
actually ships are bad in that
Any Ship Constructed := 1

The only 'postive' modifiers for neutrals are :
New Treaty Non Intercourse := -100
New Treaty None := -100
Our Troops on Planet := -2

and a natural decrease 2.5 times more than bloodthirsty or neutral.

[This message has been edited by Hydraa (edited 23 March 2001).]

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Also note that the natural decrease doesn't count for captured populations, they have a natural increase in anger, this makes it almost impossible to keep captured populations happy under a neutral happines regime. Building lots of troops is the only thing that really helps.( I'm quite sure that multiple troops give more happiness)

I like playing as a neutral because it makes the game more interesting, you have to be much more carefull in everything you do. accepting a treaty can make half your empire go into anarchy for example.. Even winning battles will make your people angry



[This message has been edited by henk brouwer (edited 23 March 2001).]