Anyone read Honor Harrington?

Jason2 · #1 March 5th, 2001, 11:17 PM

I've been reading a series by David Weber that has been making me play SEIV all the more. It's about Honor Harrington, a space-navy officer. There are some cool ideas in it as well.

The main one is that warp points are destabilized after large ships (especially fleets) move through them. They close after more than one ship moves through them for 17 hours or so.... I wonder if this could be adapted to SEIV? It would be cool if you had to send a fleet through a warp point knowing that you couldn't retreat if you had misjudged. Likewise, if the AI sent a fleet through, one that could actually cause you damage, it couldn't act stupid and run but actually stick around and fight

It would also limit expansion a bit.

What do the rest of you think, and please forgive me if this series was mentioned early on... I haven't seen any Posts, but I'm a bit new to the community

Jason2

Lerchey · #2 March 5th, 2001, 11:44 PM

Jason,

The Honor Harrington series is excellent, and someone a while ago did say that they planned on doing an HH mod. I wish them luck... the HH universe does not map well to the SE IV engine, and never will. Still, you could do something with a somewhat similar flavor.

Despite that, the idea of "limited" warp points is interesting. In HH the warp points were actually a sort of rare occurance, which is what made Baselisk so strategically important. Most ships going from system to system travelled through hyper, but not through a warp point. The warp points created avenues with MUCH faster throughput (eg, reduced time through either end to a limited set of destinations, like SE IV warp points).

The next time I send a bug report to Malfador I'll put in a request to have an option for Warp Points to have "transfer limits" like the satellite and mine laying bays do now. Neat idea.

John

pathfinder · #3 March 6th, 2001, 05:24 AM

as Lerchey states, there was a bit of discussion before Christmas about a shipset/race in this vein. Not much heard since.

Be nice if it would work, I have read most of the series.

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SirDarwin · #4 March 6th, 2001, 11:18 AM

Well I've been working on modding the game eversince it game out to the HH univerise, like what was said, a lot of things don't transfer over well, and never will (without some major changes to the engine), but a lot of things do as well.

One thing I seem to find though is that missles and point defense never miss (the PD never missing causes a huge problem, as in HH, most ships have less missles then they do point-defense ...)

mac5732 · #5 March 6th, 2001, 04:52 PM

The harrington series is good, but another series by Weber & Steve White, the latest book is In Death's Ground, is excellent in regards to fighting through and over warp points. example, they eventually develope a missle that can be sent through warp point to attack mines, shipes, bases, etc before fleet emerges, also when fleet does emerge, any mine fields limit area fleet deploys makeing it easier to attack, series has some good ideas to incorporate or devise for SE4

jdjackson99 · #6 March 6th, 2001, 05:18 PM

Finally someone compares SEIV to the In Death Ground series!! I havent read the Honor Harrington stuff yet, but I have read all of the In Death Ground books and I love them, personally I think that someone could make a pretty good mod using whats in the In Death Ground book. Hopefully anyways, Id love to have a good mod based on the book, with all the warp point asaults, warp capable missiles, and everything, It would rule!! Id make one myself, but I dont have that kind of patience

, but Id be really happy to beta test a mod if anyone makes one!

wilcoxon · #7 March 6th, 2001, 10:06 PM

Shiva Directive (second part of In Death Ground) is currently being worked on by White & Webber (no idea what the latest projected release is).

The entire series is based on Starfire as Webber was in charge of the line at Task Force Games. He was involved with 2nd and 3rd edition I think. There are supplements for 3rd edition based on all of the novels in the series. 4th edition (Galactic Starfire) is now available and, so far, seems to be a big improvement. If you're interested in strategic space "board" games (with tactical combat), I recommend checking out Galactic Starfire (http://www.starfiredesign.com/).

As far as SE4 goes, I've started (barely) working on a complete rework of the tech to match GSF (not too bad as it has tech trees, but research works differently). A mod could definitely be done based on the novel series -- I'd recommend finding a copy of Starfire (3rd or 3rd Revised is closest to the books, but is missing some of the tech (available in the various supplements) while 4th has virtually all the tech already in tech trees (missing high TL items from Insurrection)).

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DirectorTsaarx · #8 March 6th, 2001, 10:49 PM

And, of course, MM specifically lists "Starfire" as one of the inspirations for the Space Empires series...

jdjackson99 · #9 March 6th, 2001, 11:49 PM

So the sequel to In Death Ground is Shiva Directive? COOL!! Ive been waiting years for the sequel. There are a few other books in the series, Insurrection, Crusade, and Path of the Fury but I didnt think that they were as good as In Death Ground. It seems though, that Weber is spending all his time with Honor Harrington so we could be waiting quite some time for Shiva Directive to come out, but I can wait patiently...maybe. Thanks for the info wilcoxon. Be sure and let us all know when you get done modifying the tech to match GSF, Ive been looking to download some new tech trees but havent found any to my liking. Like I said, Id try and do a mod but I dont have the patience for it at all, plus Im no artist, but Ive got a little vacation coming up in a few weeks so I may play with mods then and see what I can work out. Ive got text files on all of the Starfire empires and Ive got 2 shtml documents, 1 with a galactic map and the other something about battles (though, I cant seem to open these files now for some reason). Though I might have to look into picking up that 4th edition.

Husky65 · #10 March 7th, 2001, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by jdjackson99:
It seems though, that Weber is spending all his time with Honor Harrington so we could be waiting quite some time for Shiva Directive to come out, but I can wait patiently...maybe.

According to Webers homepage he has done his part of the work on Shiva Option and sent it off to Steve White for him to do his bit (I assume i will then go back and forth a few times for minor revisions).

No idea on release date but Weber is not the bottleneck.