What the?!!!

Joonie73 · #1 November 19th, 2003, 12:55 AM

How do you deal with a nightmare where it says the souls of all you've killed are coming after you? They killed my pretender! Who sends these? And how can you beat them unless you are a priest with banishment?

Truper · #2 November 19th, 2003, 01:02 AM

Hehe. You just ran into Vengeance of the Dead, a spell that anyone with 3 astral and one death (and thaumaturgy 4) can cast. And you can't really beat them, at least not forever. You see, if you beat them once, then twice as many will come after you the next time it's cast (unless Illwinter has seen fit to make that change, which I think is reasonable).

Nagot Gick Fel · #3 November 19th, 2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Joonie73:
How do you deal with a nightmare where it says the souls of all you've killed are coming after you? They killed my pretender! Who sends these? And how can you beat them unless you are a priest with banishment?

Look at "Vengeance of the Dead" in the spellbook.

And next time, think twice before killing innocents unnecessarily with the leaders you want to keep safe.

Joonie73 · #4 November 19th, 2003, 01:09 AM

What the Hell? Why is this spell in the game then? It is ridiculous. Am I bound to lose my pretty Arco prophet then? How often do they come?

Any counters, please?

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Originally posted by Truper:
Hehe. You just ran into Vengeance of the Dead, a spell that anyone with 3 astral and one death (and thaumaturgy 4) can cast. And you can't really beat them, at least not forever. You see, if you beat them once, then twice as many will come after you the next time it's cast (unless Illwinter has seen fit to make that change, which I think is reasonable).

Joonie73 · #5 November 19th, 2003, 01:27 AM

Come on; there must be something I can do. Any items that will make me stronger v. these guys?

Truper · #6 November 19th, 2003, 01:32 AM

Counters? Not really. Some that will help temporarily. The spell is in the game as one of the counters to supercombattants IMO.

You can try giving your pretender a Lifelong Protection or a Skull Talisman - something to ensure he has allies, even though he must face the souls of all he has killed alone. You can also arm him with things that do well against undead - a Flambeau for instance. Skill in death magic can also help - there's no one so good at destroying undead as a necromancer, somewhat paradoxically.

Joonie73 · #7 November 19th, 2003, 01:35 AM

How does a skull talisman help?

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Originally posted by Truper:
Counters? Not really. Some that will help temporarily. The spell is in the game as one of the counters to supercombattants IMO.

You can try giving your pretender a Lifelong Protection or a Skull Talisman - something to ensure he has allies, even though he must face the souls of all he has killed alone. You can also arm him with things that do well against undead - a Flambeau for instance. Skill in death magic can also help - there's no one so good at destroying undead as a necromancer, somewhat paradoxically.

Joonie73 · #8 November 19th, 2003, 01:44 AM

Also what are life protection & skull talisman? I can't find it on the manual.

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Originally posted by Truper:
Counters? Not really. Some that will help temporarily. The spell is in the game as one of the counters to supercombattants IMO.

You can try giving your pretender a Lifelong Protection or a Skull Talisman - something to ensure he has allies, even though he must face the souls of all he has killed alone. You can also arm him with things that do well against undead - a Flambeau for instance. Skill in death magic can also help - there's no one so good at destroying undead as a necromancer, somewhat paradoxically.

PvK · #9 November 19th, 2003, 01:46 AM

Skull Talisman would just give you some bodyguards during the fight.

The only complete protection, is to not kill anyone. Nice cuddly stay-at-home pretenders don't have to worry about such nightmares.

Or, you can be so mighty that you enjoy the experience.

Or, you can pile on the magic resistance, with items and/or by empowering in Astral (right?). My pretender got attacked by this a bunch of times, and he just resisted it, and he didn't have any special protection, except for being a level-3 dragon in his own dominion.

Or, you can surround yourself with decoys, and/or hide in a province your opponent doesn't know about or doesn't suspect you are in. IIRC, the spell is targetted against provinces, so if you are in a province they don't decide to target, you won't get attacked, and if they do attack, and you have a bunch of patrolling scouts or other cheap leader/major units, you're less likely to be the target of the dream.

PvK

Edit/P.S. - This is a really neat and imaginitive spell. Very cool.

[ November 18, 2003, 23:47: Message edited by: PvK ]

Truper · #10 November 19th, 2003, 01:54 AM

Surrounding yourself with decoys won't help against this particular spell. It targets "the greatest butcher in that province".

Magic resistance does in fact help, but being a nice cuddly stay-at-home pretender is the only complete defence.

Love your enemies to death!