GOP CONGRESSMAN SEES THE LIGHT!!!

[Edi]

Yeah, looks like we went and hoisted the jolly roger to the mast of this thread right and proper! *grin*

I'll agree to lay the rest of the thread aside, but the news media bit I can't let go. Have you ever taken a look at e.g. BBC World or other foreign news channels? What I've seen of American channels, even CNN can be described as right wing from a European point of view, and we don't have the same CNN that you do in the states, the European version is even more to the "left" than the American because nobody would watch it otherwise.

I have no idea of what MSNBC is like, never seen it. I do know a fair bit about Fox News, though, and about their habit of ignoring any news that is not convenient to the conservative side of American politics (synonymous with Republicans in this day and age) and stacking the deck in any panels and debates. The fact that they employ someone like Bill O'Reilly who routinely cuts the mike from his guests when he starts losing an argument and who unapologetically hurls baseless accusations and abuse at everyone who disagrees with him, that's already indictment enough, but there are numerous other things as well, from putting a spin on things and even outright lying that they have been caught in. Fox News actually went to court once to argue that even though it calls itself a news channel, there is no obligation to tell the truth to viewers.

Fox News has come under attack so badly precisely because of these reasons. It calls itself fair and balanced, but anyone who takes the time to research any of the more contentious issues they report on will find that it is anything but. I know several Americans who used to think Fox News was okay. Quite a few of them are conservatives, several of them conservatives of a more traditional style and not necessarily religious at all. Then they started looking into things themselves and these days their opinion of Fox News can most charitably be described as total contempt. They did not like being lied to.

That's the most damning indictment of all.

[capnq]

Edi said: Do you have any idea of how much that would cost and how much damage it would do?

Liberals do not care what something will cost. They'll just raise taxes to cover it. (Neoconservatives don't care what things cost, either. They'll just borrow the money and let their grandchildren pay it back later.)

IMO, the main reason that US politics is so dysfunctional is that only the extremists care enough to get involved. Moderates who try to reach compromises just burn out from being shot down by both sides.

[Atrocities]

Any ways back to the topic of this thread.

Study Backs Up Fed Theory Of Why World Trade Center Collapsed

The report concludes that the weight of the aircraft's fuel, when ignited, produced "a flash flood of flaming liquid" that knocked out a number of structural columns within the building and removed the fireproofing insulation from other support structures, Hoffmann said.

And their models back this up.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Atrocities said:
Any ways back to the topic of this thread.

Study Backs Up Fed Theory Of Why World Trade Center Collapsed

That's a nice flashy animation how the planes collided with the towers. Now they need to illustrate for us step by step how those same buildings collapsed at near free-fall speed. While they're at it, they should also account for the initial drop of the north tower's antenna right before the collapse, the 500 ft. lateral explosions spewing out enormous hunks of steel columns (all because of fire no less), the squibs seen almost 30 floors below the collapse wave (especially considering NIST's complete rejection of the "pancake theory" of collapse), the molten metal found in the basements of WTC 1, 2 & 7, and don't forget the virtually complete pulverization of the concrete and other non-metallic materials! Also, they should show us how the plane that collided with WTC 7 -- oh, wait a minute! No plane hit WTC 7! Isn't that strange? How then did it collapse in 6.6 seconds? HOW INDEED?

For a detailed debunking of the Purdue "simulation" look here: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...f-hot-air.html

[Edi]

Your appeals to your own ignorance are completely irrelevant, Slaughtermeyer. Anyone with basic knowledge of physics and any sort of familiarity with the properties of metals and how they behave under stress can explain to you how and why the WTC came down, including building 7. This has been explained to you time and again in this thread, but you seem to only see and read those things you want to hear and ignore everything else.

It just happens that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is a FACT of life that if people cannot logically justify their opinion and have no idea what they are talking about, their opinions are completely worthless.

[Gandalf Parker]

Edi said:
It just happens that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it is a FACT of life that if people cannot logically justify their opinion and have no idea what they are talking about, their opinions are completely worthless.

Thats not true. They are worth quite abit. Sell it to Hollywood and find out.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Renegade 13 said:
Wow...I didn't think people seriously believed some of the crap that has been expounded here...

US/Israeli conspiracy...yeah, that's plausible...much more plausible than Islamic funamentalists who despise 'Western' cultures and their 'decadence'...

Which is more plausible, the terrorists who on 9/11 were caught in the act of trying to blow up the George Washington Bridge were Islamic fundamentalists, or were actually Israeli Mossad agents. Especially considering the fact that they were allowed to return to their home country without facing any prosecution whatsoever.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7dBZpeJD1i4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFySc...elated&search=

High quality version of the previous report.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

[Atrocities]

Nice fabrication on that FOX NEWS capture. Working in video production, editing, and such for over 20 years I can assure you that such things can be fabricated quite easily. In fact most of the anti-fox crap you see on that ultra uber liberal, Google owned, youtube site is laughably one sided and erroneous.

[Slaughtermeyer]

Atrocities said:
Nice fabrication on that FOX NEWS capture.

Here are two sources for the entire report from which the capture was taken:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle7545.htm

The second link includes a transcript of the FOX NEWS report in which the statement made in the screen capture took place. And if you think the transcript was fabricated, think again:
http://web.archive.org/web/200112130...,40684,00.html

[Atrocities]

But again neither one of those are from FOX. Therefore the footage could have been, and more than likely was, tampered with. We see it all the time in youtube and google videos.