MP: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!

[Squirrelloid]

Indeed. And I was completely convinced I could take him =)

[TwoBits]

I'd like to thank everyone involved too. Definitely a learning experience, and worth all the time I put into it. Kind of sad to see it end

Anyhow, I enjoyed the team format. Maybe 12 on a side was way too much to coordinate effectively or easily, but perhaps a game with 3-5 on a side (and perhaps more than 2 teams) would be very interesting.

[iainuki]

Thanks for the game, veterans. I certainly learned a lot. I don't feel I came in with much MP experience at all, though I first took over Squirrelloid's well-played position so I didn't have the chance to botch up the opening.

I'd love to play in another team game. Honestly, the thing I dislike most about MP dominions is the diplomacy, because it is an arbitrary timesink and the more you do the better your position, so I'd rather take on the more-defined commitments of a team game instead. Septimius, if you're planning anything like NvV in the future, count me in. I'd be willing to help admin, too, though if you're not thinking the near future, I might like to try to develop a game myself?

[Hoplosternum]

Thanks for the game everyone.

Even though I was knocked in to irrelevence early on I still enjoyed it

I like team games but I agree that the teams here were too large. I understand why they were for this format. But smaller teams would normally be my preference.

I agree with a lot of Iainuki's points about diplomacy, although I like ordinary mp too for all that. I wish there were more team games but most require at least some fiddling with the map files (to put the teams together) and as most games are played by the game creator that can cause issues I imagine.

[Septimius Severus]

Final stats for the game:


LlamaServer Scores, NoobsvsVetsIII_Revolution turn 36

Provinces

Nation	Provinces
Independents	11
Arcoscephale	15
Ermor	0
Pythium	28
Ulm	48
Marignon	19
T'ien Ch'i	1
Machaka	20
Agartha	34
Abysia	46
Caelum	4
C'tis	23
Pangaea	31
Vanheim	21
Jotunheim	11
Bandar Log	14
Shinuyama	45
Ashdod	4
Eriu	0

Forts

Nation	Forts
Independents	0
Arcoscephale	4
Ermor	0
Pythium	5
Ulm	7
Marignon	2
T'ien Ch'i	2
Machaka	6
Agartha	5
Abysia	7
Caelum	2
C'tis	7
Pangaea	7
Vanheim	6
Jotunheim	2
Bandar Log	4
Shinuyama	7
Ashdod	0
Eriu	1

Income

Nation	Income
Independents	612
Arcoscephale	1790
Ermor	0
Pythium	4837
Ulm	4852
Marignon	1644
T'ien Ch'i	531
Machaka	3368
Agartha	3320
Abysia	5210
Caelum	406
C'tis	4564
Pangaea	3022
Vanheim	2329
Jotunheim	946
Bandar Log	2119
Shinuyama	4347
Ashdod	261
Eriu	22

Gem Income

Nation	Gem Income
Independents	7
Arcoscephale	14
Ermor	0
Pythium	56
Ulm	33
Marignon	29
T'ien Ch'i	11
Machaka	72
Agartha	43
Abysia	38
Caelum	3
C'tis	53
Pangaea	34
Vanheim	45
Jotunheim	9
Bandar Log	10
Shinuyama	83
Ashdod	7
Eriu	5

Research

Nation	Research
Independents	0
Arcoscephale	2331
Ermor	223
Pythium	5912
Ulm	3972
Marignon	4485
T'ien Ch'i	2444
Machaka	9718
Agartha	3293
Abysia	2878
Caelum	3703
C'tis	9378
Pangaea	1472
Vanheim	5990
Jotunheim	1280
Bandar Log	2731
Shinuyama	4084
Ashdod	1685
Eriu	2336

Dominion

Nation	Dominion
Independents	0
Arcoscephale	307
Ermor	0
Pythium	500
Ulm	391
Marignon	253
T'ien Ch'i	390
Machaka	259
Agartha	321
Abysia	209
Caelum	190
C'tis	390
Pangaea	359
Vanheim	233
Jotunheim	340
Bandar Log	76
Shinuyama	449
Ashdod	14
Eriu	159

Army Size

Nation	Army Size
Independents	896
Arcoscephale	483
Ermor	0
Pythium	1568
Ulm	3300
Marignon	1111
T'ien Ch'i	191
Machaka	1627
Agartha	1948
Abysia	1429
Caelum	210
C'tis	1040
Pangaea	834
Vanheim	1173
Jotunheim	489
Bandar Log	717
Shinuyama	2426
Ashdod	18
Eriu	84

[DrPraetorious]

I claim victory.

We should definitely do another noobs and vets game. We could either do:
* equal numbers on each side (heh heh heh)
* a mix of teams of two vets and teams of three noobs (say). This way the number of vets and noobs doesn't have to (remotely) match up.
* teams of mixed noobs and vets.

If we go for the last option, my suggestion would be:
* teams of three.
* each team of three should be balanced re: experience level of the players, ideally would include one veteran, one moderately experienced player and one noob.
* the less experienced players within a team should be *required* to take whichever nations a given team drafts first.

This game is better MP meaning more than two teams - any game with two teams immediately becomes total war, which makes it hard for any of the late-game-research dependent nations to really thrive.

[Septimius Severus]

Here are the rosters from all 3 games in the series. I am grateful to all those who participated, especially those who participated in more than one game.

Special thanks goes to rdonj in the roles of player, co/backup game admin, noob forum admin, and general technical adviser and to Llamabeast, for the use of his excellent server.

And very special thanks to the entire Dominions 3 Shrapnel community for their input, support, and enthusiasm, without which, nothing would be possible.

NvV I Noobs Septimius Severus - [R'lyeh] Lavaere - [Bogarus] rdonj - [T'ien Ch'i] Alpine Joe - [Utgard] Lumen Placidum - [Ulm] Darloth - [Jomon] pyg - [Midgard] Aristander - [Gath] Amonchakad [Agartha] Giant Moth - [Man] GrudgeBringer (standby/alternate) PsiSoldier (standby/alternate) Arcturus42 (standby/alternate) Jachra (standby/alternate) Vets Lingchih - [Pangaea] Iron Hawk - [Abysia] Evil Homer - [Mictlan] Big and Scary - [Ermor] Quantum_Mechani [Pythium] Zeldor (standby/alternate)

NvV II: Mysteria's Revenge Noobs Septimius Severus - [Ermor] Grudgebringer - [Fomoria] Ossa - [Sauromatia] Lavaere - [Lanka] Illuminated One - [Mictlan] viccio - [Abysia] LumenPlacidum - [Agartha] Darloth - [C'tis] Stretch - [Vanhiem] P3D - [T'ien Chi'] Unoptimized (standby/alternate) mikh4il (standby/alternate) majuva68 (standby/alternate) Jachra (standy/alternate) Vets Lingchih - [Niefelheim] TheDemon - [Caelum] atul - [Atlantis] Ironhawk - [Helheim] Quantum_Mechani - [Hinnom] Zeldor (standby/alternate) namad (standby/alternate)

NvV III: Revolution

Noob Team.............................................. .........Vet Team
Septimius Severus [Pangaea] ........................ Lingchih [Ermor]
LumenPlacidum [Machaka].............................. namad [Ashdod]
viccio [Abysia] .................................................. TheDemon [Marignon]
melnorjr [Arcoscephale] ................................... Baalz [Eriu]
Lavaere/Hoplosternum [Bandar Log] ............. atul [Vanheim]
Squirrelloid [Shinuyama] .................................. DrPraetorius [T'ien Ch'i]
Joelz [Ulm]
Hoplosternum [Jotunheim] .............................. Alternates
Skinu/Iainuki [Caelum] ..................................... Hadrian II
Pelthin [Agartha]
TwoBits [Pythium]
Raiel [C'tis]

Alternates
Stretch
LupusFatalis

Don't want the fun to end? Watch for these future games currently under consideration:

Noobs vs. AI's

Noobs vs. Vets: Alumni/Graduates

Noobs vs. Vets vs. Noobs

- Septimius Severus

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by DrPraetorious

We should definitely do another noobs and vets game. We could either do:
* equal numbers on each side (heh heh heh)
* a mix of teams of two vets and teams of three noobs (say). This way the number of vets and noobs doesn't have to (remotely) match up.
* teams of mixed noobs and vets.

Your first suggestion would be the Noobs vs. Vets: Alumni/Graduates I mentioned.

Your second and third would be the Noobs vs. Vets vs. Noobs, or whatever the name may be. Your right I think people would like multiple small teams headed by a single vet.

[rdonj]

The game being officially over now, the game's threads are now archived. The archive is here.

[Squirrelloid]

I could be convinced to play NvV:Alumni or multiteam N+V. I'm getting my first taste of lategame now, but I imagine i probably fall into middling experienced category at this point.