MP Tarrax - Newbie Game (running) - EA 4-8 players on tiny/small random map - Page 7

Fantomen · #61 November 27th, 2009, 03:35 AM

Yes I would like a rollback if it is ok, I thought I had one more day for some reason.

jmb · #62 November 27th, 2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Svamptripp

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Originally Posted by Tarrax

It looks like Agartha staled. It was Thanksgiving day here in US but since no one asked for an extension, I left the turn as it is. Fantomen, would you like a roll back?

Staling is no fun for anyone and I wholeheartily support to rollback if Fantomen wants that.

I have no problem with a rollback either.

sansanjuan · #63 November 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarrax

It looks like Agartha staled. It was Thanksgiving day here in US but since no one asked for an extension, I left the turn as it is. Fantomen, would you like a roll back?

Ulm is fine with a rollback.

We would then resubmit the last turn? I'll have to see if I can make even bigger tactical blunders this time!

uch: !

-ssj

Tarrax · #64 November 27th, 2009, 03:59 PM

Ok then I see that there is no problem for the players with a rollback in general. I am rolling back to the last turn. I have never done this before but I would assume we would need to re-submit last turn.

Tarrax · #65 November 27th, 2009, 04:02 PM

The game is rolled back. Please read the info below on the llamaserver about rollbacks. It looks like we need to delete the existing 2h files first:

Tarrax: Roll back to previous turn

This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

A further reason is a difficulty with game file confusion. Imagine turn 10 has just come out, and someone starts to play the turn. Then the game is rolled back to turn 9, and processed again to make a new turn 10. Unless players delete the 2h file they produced from the original turn 10, Dominions will not know to ignore it and may get seriously confused. This can cause a lot of madness, e.g. soldiers becoming commanders and gaining magic paths, and so on. So if you do do a rollback, make sure to remind players to delete their 2h files.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

Tarrax · #66 November 27th, 2009, 04:36 PM

I just re-submitted my turn. We'll see what happens.

sansanjuan · #67 November 27th, 2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarrax

I just re-submitted my turn. We'll see what happens.

New territory for me too. Interested to see if my hero reappears.
-ssj

Kref · #68 November 28th, 2009, 05:42 AM

I think previous h2 files should be used. Agartha may send her h2 file. Ulm said: "I'll have to see if I can make even bigger tactical blunders this time!"
At my opinion, ulm lost a castle, also a very important ulm's siege was broken. It weakend him very significantly on a sizeable part of world, so i don't tjink he made some good tactics that turn. It also means that I, and, perhaps, mavreni can suffer great penalties from the fact that ulm watched our actions and their consequences. I won't resent an h2 file for now, and if ulm manage to avoid my and mavreni's results on that turn, i'll consult with mavreni about abandonding this game. Changing ulm's orders may be fatal to mavreni's surviving, and i spent some resouces on mavreni to weaken ulm.

Kref · #69 November 28th, 2009, 06:06 AM

Oh, man, Tarrax, you are mavreni and admin of the game!
I still do not understand how you could make the decision to let Ulm redesign orders for that turn! Well, I'll stay in game, but I don't think it's a fair decision from you to give ulm critical opportunities against you. I planned that your would be able to disturbe ulm but I am not sure you would be capable to do it now.

Kref · #70 November 28th, 2009, 06:07 AM

Oh, man, Tarrax, you are mavreni and admin of the game!
I still do not understand how you could make the decision to let Ulm redesign orders for that turn! Well, I'll stay in game, but I don't think it's a fair decision from you to give ulm critical opportunities against you. I planned that your would be able to disturbe ulm but I am not sure you would be capable to do it now.

P.S. I'll also resent same 2h file.