MP Game: How bad is too bad? - Page 6

WingedDog · #51 February 9th, 2010, 02:41 AM

Did anyone actually see someone was forced out of the game? At least once?

rdonj · #52 February 9th, 2010, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WingedDog

Did anyone actually see someone was forced out of the game? At least once?

In a team game I was administrating, one of the team captains had me boot one of their members from the game. Reasons were them underperforming and being extremely difficult to communicate with. I don't really like kicking players, but I have to admit, they had a point. I can't recall any other examples of a player being kicked from a game off the top of my head.

Nasser · #53 February 10th, 2010, 09:17 PM

The idea of kicking somebody from a game because of their skill level is completely ridiculous and outside the spirit of the game. Its elitism and nothing less.

Trumanator · #54 February 10th, 2010, 10:17 PM

What is the "spirit of the game" anyways? If its to have fun then having someone whose so godawful that they're completely ruining the game balance can assuredly go against said spirit.

Nasser · #55 February 11th, 2010, 05:44 AM

No, that's stupid. Its still very fun to crush them with your mighty armies and plunder all of their ill defended provinces. The only way you could not find that fun is if you regularly feel that there are just some people who aren't "good enough" to play with you. If that's the case then you've got problems outside the scope of Dominions.

Nasser · #56 February 11th, 2010, 05:47 AM

"Heh, this mook is so bad I don't know why he even bothers."

*grabs fistfull of cheetoes*

"I know. Rather than give him some pointers in the spirit of good sportsmanship I'll passive-aggressively call him out on the forums and then he'll feel really bad."

13lackGu4rd · #57 February 11th, 2010, 07:02 AM

Nasser, no offense but you're either too shallow or too naive in your opinion. I suggest you actually bother to read this thread, not just the first post of it...

when we talk about bad we're talking about people who refuse to listen when people do try to give him pointers, advise, etc and try to explain to him what he is doing wrong and how to fix it... we're talking about people who can't even expand against indies(AI mind you, not another human player) which shows complete lack of understanding of how to play this game.

now when you mix the 2 together you get a person who is totally clueless as to what he's doing inside the game yet refuses to learn how to play properly(as in simple things like expanding and making armies, not some sophisticated strategy or anything...).

now, when you realize that this is a multiplayer game, which means multiple participants, than you should also understand that the game should be enjoyable for everyone. personally I don't understand how a game can be enjoyable by someone when he is clearly clueless as to what the game is about, but I guess that's just me... but even that is beside the point, as this 1 person is ruining the game for everybody else by disrupting the natural balance of the game. Dominions is a strategy game, strategy games are supposed to be challenging, requiring the usage of certain tactics and counter tactics, etc. taking the challenging effect out of a strategy game is like tearing the heart out of a person. you're left with some weird golem(and not in the game sense of the term...) that's just being there doing nothing...

Sombre · #58 February 11th, 2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nasser

"Heh, this mook is so bad I don't know why he even bothers."

*grabs fistfull of cheetoes*

"I know. Rather than give him some pointers in the spirit of good sportsmanship I'll passive-aggressively call him out on the forums and then he'll feel really bad."

Hello troll. I don't know what a 'cheetoe' is, but I presume you're attempting to cast me as a geeky basement dwelling misanthrope. How constructive. How original.

This thread isn't out to make anyone feel bad. But to be clear, I wouldn't care if someone completely incompetent read it and felt bad. They should. Maybe it would motivate them to improve. Or put them off joining games. I think either would be beneficial.

I was actually interested to see what the community felt on the subject, since stalers are routinely subbed out without their consent and in terms of game balance, there's no difference between someone not playing and someone playing so badly that they have no discernable impact.

I would consider listening to advice and actively seeking to improve to be signs that someone is not a bad player, regardless of their performance in a given game. So the thread isn't about them. But frankly you shouldn't need advice to play at a basic level (expanding from your cap for instance). This basic level is, I would argue, expected of anyone who signs up to play. You shouldn't need to be told /after/ a game of football starts, that the objective is to kick the ball into the opposing team's goal.

Honestly some people here are so ready to get in a flap about 'elitism' that they just don't listen. We are not talking about a regular new player making mistakes here.

Sombre · #59 February 11th, 2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nasser

No, that's stupid. Its still very fun to crush them with your mighty armies and plunder all of their ill defended provinces.

I feel safe in saying most active MP players on this forum would disagree with that, or they wouldn't be unhappy about stalers. Hell they'd probably all play SP instead of MP.

Torin · #60 February 11th, 2010, 09:28 AM

I think thats there is a big difference between being a bad player and stall without notice.
The latter is something that ruins games. More often than not theres 1 player signing in a PBEM game and after 2 or 3 turns stalls more than he plays. Why in the hell he signs in for???
Hes neghbours then get an unfair advantage.