Question about Ukraine OOB...

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Kherson is considered non combat. Also, there are no missiles fired which is strange.

Really ? The boat exploding wasn't enough for you ?

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

]Also first Bradley FIST video -- they got something like 7 or so BFISTs out of 125 Bradleys

Originally Posted by Mustang

As it happens there's only one video of a bradley firing its weapons, I'm not sure if the FISTV are fully armed either.

So because only one video shows a bradley firing its weapons you are not sure if the FISTV are fully armed ?

You have no evidence they are not but you are doing a fine job of making the prophecy you made at the start of your latest posting cycle become a reality,,,,,,,


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=53019

Originally Posted by Mustang

"Long time, but I'll be banned fast."

Nothing says TROLL like a comment like that

Take the hint.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

Really ? The boat exploding wasn't enough for you ?

So because only one video shows a bradley firing its weapons you are not sure if the FISTV are fully armed ?

You have no evidence they are not but you are doing a fine job of making the prophecy you made at the start of your latest posting cycle become a reality,,,,,,,


https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=53019

Nothing says TROLL like a comment like that

Take the hint.

Call me a troll if you want but I will still reply to your specific requests.

The TOW on the FIST is removed. I believe that's already in the game.

There is apparently a stabilizer issue with the older FIST, I don't think this in the game, correct me if I'm wrong.



All ukranian bradleys are m2 and thus a less upgraded model. The m3 and m7 have a stabilizer. It is implied the older bradleys cannot move and target, specifically the FIST.

This might be a general problem with all M2 or just the FIST due to the different electrical work.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Mustang

As it happens there's only one video of a bradley firing its weapons, I'm not sure if the FISTV are fully armed either.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/europ...cmd/index.html

Yet southward progress is precisely what the Ukrainian soldiers with the call signs Karatsupa, Pan and Taba seek, driving their American-made Bradley Fighting Vehicles down a road that is also, they believe, the road to Ukrainian victory.

Every day, under relentless fire, they drive fresh troops in and spent ones out, with just 30 seconds to make the swap on the battlefield.

“I’ve been serving since 2014 and I’ve never encountered such minefields anywhere. Just hectares of them, to the left and to the right,” said Karatsupa. “A lot of trenches, dugouts. And all this for dozens of kilometers. They even throw mines at the territory we are taking. Without the mines, we would already be in Tokmak.”

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But without the Bradleys, say the men, no one would have survived. They proudly showed CNN some of the direct artillery hits the US-made armored vehicles had taken, singing their praises repeatedly

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/05/europ...cmd/index.html

Yet southward progress is precisely what the Ukrainian soldiers with the call signs Karatsupa, Pan and Taba seek, driving their American-made Bradley Fighting Vehicles down a road that is also, they believe, the road to Ukrainian victory.

Every day, under relentless fire, they drive fresh troops in and spent ones out, with just 30 seconds to make the swap on the battlefield.

“I’ve been serving since 2014 and I’ve never encountered such minefields anywhere. Just hectares of them, to the left and to the right,” said Karatsupa. “A lot of trenches, dugouts. And all this for dozens of kilometers. They even throw mines at the territory we are taking. Without the mines, we would already be in Tokmak.”

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But without the Bradleys, say the men, no one would have survived. They proudly showed CNN some of the direct artillery hits the US-made armored vehicles had taken, singing their praises repeatedly

You are proving my point, my point is they are using them as transports and not weapons.

[DRG]

We do........

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

We do........

I know that you remove equipment when it's not available. I was just confirming the level of evidence.

So far although we don't have the same confirmation for marders. If we get a statement resembling them all being lost or unavailable in the winter counteroffensive then that would be good evidence.

For bradleys they already aren't in the OOB and that can remain until we get some kind of evidence they are used after the aforementioned instance.

For the 2A4 Ukraine can keep them, although right now they are being upgraded with Kontakt ERA so they aren't necessarily operational at the moment.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Mustang

For bradleys they already aren't in the OOB and that can remain until we get some kind of evidence they are used after the aforementioned instance.

The Bradleys aren't in the OOB? Are you blind?
Unit 721.
Formations 292 and 293.

Thanks for the "advice" but we'll continue on as we always have without it

Any adjustments to start date will be made before the next release. What's in there now was based on the best info we had at the start of the year.

Don't like it ? I don't care. That's what MoBHacks for

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by DRG

The Bradleys aren't in the OOB? Are you blind?
Unit 721.
Formations 292 and 293.

Thanks for the "advice" but we'll continue on as we always have without it

Any adjustments to start date will be made before the next release. What's in there now was based on the best info we had at the start of the year.

Don't like it ? I don't care.

I didn't mean to be hostile.

[MarkSheppard]

Challenger II is now in combat.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...74142957752322

[Mustang]

I cannot find a source that the ODS bradley has a stabilizer. There is another model, ODS SA, which does. Ukraine did not get these.



The SA is fully modernized and has a stabilizer. This is hard to represent in game as the game assumes stabilizers are harder than thermal sights, based on ww2. A higher fire control value means you have a stabilizer and then a thermal sight.

The bradley progression is the opposite as the cost of electronics has gone down and mechanical parts are in shortage. The result is the ODS bradley apparently has a thermal sight with no stabilizer while the SA has everything.

I don't know how you represent this in the game but it is a major loss of capability.