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A4. ADD: NEW ZEALAND/NH 90 TTH A109 /JUN 2011/C3 P20/With its roll on - roll off ramp it can also accommodate a single vehicle up to 2.5 tons. The TTH has "nap of the earth" flying ability. There is supposed to be work done or being done to accommodate MG's for protection.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...0466/#more-466 Breakdown of the RNZAF NH-90 program.
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/nh_90.htm
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AC-130U TIME TO...

C1. CHANGE: USMC/AC-130U SPOOKY/UNIT 573/Name AC-130U SPOOKY to AC-130U+4 SPOOKY/End Date to DEC 2010 vice DEC 2020/In the eyes of the USAF this was a failed attempt to remove the 25mm and 40mm and replace it with the 30mm. This was conversion was only done on 4 of the 17 operational SPOOKYS. Part of the reason the conversion was due to the maintenance and ammo requirements of the 25mm and 40mm. The other, the 30mm was found to be inaccurate and thus "operationally unsuitable" The USMC has other thoughts about this (30mm) but you'll have to wait until my first Patch Post for 2012 to find out why.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../ac-130u-4.htm Great overview of the issue at hand and at the bottom is the reason I started the thread in the first place.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-a-time-03023/ Detailed background on the project.
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...et.asp?fsID=71

A1. ADD: USA/AC-130H SPECTRE/JAN 1998 - DEC 2020/Use USA UNIT 564for the base./These never stopped flying and are in service (8) for the foreseeable future. This "new" unit is at least electronically comparable to the
current AC-130U (TI/GSR etc.). However and if time allows before the deadline, the AC-130 will be advanced further electronically and in weaponry (VIPER STRIKE ATGW) as well with information I have.
If not I'll present it for next year. It willbe next year.
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...heet.asp?id=71
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ft/ac-130h.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-130-specs.htm Comparison between SPECTRE and SPOOKY. Note weapons and ammo info.
http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/ac-130_spectre.pl As immediately above.
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/...ack/ac130.html Gets into the electronic issue in greater detail.
http://spectre-association.org/historySpectre.htm A little history from the guys who flew them.
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Jets and Planes but...

A1. ADD: EQUADOR/CHEETAH C/JAN 2011/Use SOUTH AFICAN UNITS 154& 336 for the base./Retired by the SAAF in 2008, the planes have been maintained in storage for surplus sales purposes. Used JAN 2011 since Ecuador has been involved with these planes in both South Africa and at home for over a year.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20518/ Reports the buy.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Ecudaor-05832/Does the same and details it as well. It'll show these to be upgraded versions of the CHEETAH C as well.
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A2. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN C (TRAF JAS 39C)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS 327- 329 for the base./These are brand new fighters. The GRIPEN C is the single seat 4th generation interceptor version.
http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fig...000532001.aspx A good quick look.

A3. ADD: THAILAND/GRIPEN D (TRAF JAS 39D)/OCT 2011/Use SWEDISH UNITS NONE(?) for the base./As above except that the GRIPEN D is the two seat 4th generation fighter-bomber version with heavier payload.
http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fig...000532002.aspx As above. The rest below cover the deal plus more for both.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...022/#more-4022 When you can get the full articles they're hard to beat.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20615/ SAAB comes to Thailand in partnership deal.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20612/ Thailand orders more GRIPEN C fighters.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Grip...-for-Thailand/ Click on tabs at top for further info.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/ Homepage that'll allow you too find info on all current user nations.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Grip...pecifications/
http://www.military-today.com/aircra..._39_gripen.htm Though older, provides good background info note chart to left (Normal feature of site.) weapons section.
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D1. DELETE: RUSSIA/Su-47 BERKUT/UNIT 170/This is strictly a prototype/demonstrator craft.
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C1. CHANGE: RUSSIA/Su-50/UNIT 963/Name to either Su PAK FA or
Su-50 PAK FA vice Su-50./This might avoid confusion with the T-50 that was the prototype and puts it in line with net searches as normally known simply as PAK FA.
Posts #3; #5 and #9.

Miscellaneous items to include a couple of deletions.

D1. DELETE: USA/MERCENARIES & MP SQUAD/UNITS 725 & 726 and
106 - 109 respectively./ I had hoped this search would've yielded more then this but I searched the game world pretty thoroughly and within the my thoughts on the matter as posted below.
Posts: APC thread Page 7; Posts #66 - #68.

1/23/2011 That's it!!

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

68.


ADD: NEW ZEALAND/NH 90 TTH A109 /-

THERE IS NO NEW ZEALAND IN THE GAME PAT

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

68.
1/23/2011 That's it!!

now go a take a nice Loooooooooooong break please and remind me never to say " I guess that's about it........" ever again.....

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Sorry that was a breakdown in my notes. I missed the "crib note" to myself not to post it here. After the "push" over the last week and a halve and my last two weekends off, I just wanted to get it done as discussed and early and it got by. My apolizies and sorry for the inconvenience. It's back to the news.

Regards,
Pat

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

[C10.

Change: UKRAINE/OPLOT/UNITS 061-063/Add 9K119M REFLEX (NATO Des. AT-11 SNIPER-B) 6 Missiles. Noticed from refs that ATGW load has no affect on conventional ammo loads from refs. Must be due to size that addition of these doesn’t take up that much room as compared to conventional rounds. Am under the impression from further looking into other countries platforms this is just about a "universal truth" across the board.
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t84armament.php
http://www.pmulcahy.com/tanks/ukrainian_tanks.html See bottom of the page. And yes I saw the number if it is 100% correct, however six works as that's what's in the game now for the T-84 tanks as well.

Pat, the Morozov reference you provided clearly states

The Oplot has a total of 40 rounds of separate loading ammunition (projectile and charge) of which 28 rounds are placed in the automatic loader............< snip >.........The missiles are stowed in the automatic loader in the same way as conventional ammunition.

so the missiles are not added to the ammo total they are PART OF the ammo total.


Don

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

[M3. MOD: USA/BRADLEY/JAN 2011/UNITS 006, 305-306, 309, 655, 664, 666 (Yikes!) & 668/ As in the game add a new tech ERA/ARA package and upgrades below.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...835/#more-2835 Please note APR 06 '09 & SEP 22 '08 as these affect the above units. Others in the game were out of service by 2008 - 2009.

Pat......... "Others in the game were out of service by 2008 - 2009"

When is 006 OOS ?? looks like 1995 to me

and 655 ?? Looks like 1989 to me as does 664

In the end you're going to get 2 new Bradleys with the upgrade ERA package

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
Sorry for not responding sooner, dealing with the issues of "observers" at work recently. Not afraid to admit my errors and item 1. might be a teaching moment for others new to interpreting the "table" of info shown for a particular unit in Mobhack.
1. I understand it has to be done the way shown for weapons slots, what I didn't realize or better, make the connection, is that though all shell types were broken down by AP, HE etc. and with how many shells make up each, it is only part of the sum total of ammo if ATGWs are equipped as well. Though listed separately they will be combined with the shell count to get to that units total ammo load-out. So the OPLOT will have a combination of shells equal to 34 + 6 ATGW for a total of 40.
Got it.

2. That was just plain stupid on my part, I read the month as the year near as I can tell-sorry. Thanks for the gain though, at least the info was good enough (Small victory.) for the addition.

Maybe I need a day job like most normal people?

Thanks for not blasting me out of the water to badly, had enough to deal with other places earlier tonight. And people have said life will be better after a military career, I need to move that "censor" smiley down here as well!?!

Regards,
Pat

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No problem Pat. The info you provide is generally clear enough just occasionally things get a little mixed up which isn't surprising given the mass of data we both end up sifting through and that you are relatively new to MOBHack

I'm slowly hacking my way through it entering data and building new Icons where applicable. Good thing I'm retired. I used to have to work this into normal work schedule.

Don

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I will be on hiatus with the "news" unless something earth shattering comes up. It's time to start on Part 1 of 3 Patch Posts for next year as discussed with the boss to avoid him having to and me having to as the info was compressed into 3 months for the last patch. But it was a more successful campaign then I could have hoped for, thanks Don, Andy and everyone else.
What to expect:
1. It'll be ref heavy, as expected by most.
2. There will be some items revisited based mostly on the fact I didn't understand Mobhack unit utilities in the earlier posts that gave Don a headache at times and he just plain ran out of time on those items, mostly from the MBT section.
3. At least with the first Post a very light spattering to cover the MBT, APC, SP&SPAA and other threads. Just not much happening there.
4. It will be avaition heavy due to the news surrounding China and Venezuela and how it's affecting their neighbors. Also with mods to existing units that I just ran out of time with myself.

I apolize in advance to everyone, as you see most of my posting is done after work and when not on my days off. Please as I asked in the very first Post of this thread I need to limit contact on these Posts to Don and Andy not out of disrespect to anyone out there but for the sake of time management and to maintain my focus as things have changed in the last few weeks for me at work. So with CINCLANTHOMEs blessing (Sort of!?!) I hope to have this first one posted by the end of June.
In the meantime I recommend the following defence news sites:
http://www.army-technology.com/
http://www.defpro.com/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/

THANKS EVERYONE!

Regards,
Pat

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Don,
A couple of questions for you when you get the chance.

1. What TI/GSR value do you typically assign to a modern (Circa 2002/2003 with upgrades during installation process.) 2nd Gen integrated FCS Thermal Sight with full day/night capability?

The next is an opinion issue if we're thinking along the same lines in the interpretation of the data.

2. Does a government source "trump" all others? The issue at hand is I have many refs to support (One that's VERY thorough on the LEO 1 developmental timeline and who bought what with specific dates.) Here's the specific issue Turkey LEO 1A1 (Unit 033.) many say the Turks didn't buy this one until much later (If at all.) but, actually bought the LEO 1A1A1 with improved armor protection. The government source only refs the LEO 1A1 and 1A4 (Simplification of model designations?) for modernization. Providing my best sources for your opinion (Note: Based on the purchase dates I'm personally leaning towards the 1A1A1 vice 1A1.) or I'll carry on and submit to the patch what I have, which ever way you wish me to proceed for #2.
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/home/projects/...d1A1A1A4T.aspx
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product152.html
See under Variants LEO 1A1A1, 1A3 & 1A4 (These were designated Leopard T1.) near bottom see Turkey where the LEO 1A1A1 deal is mentioned.

Thanks!

Regards,
Pat

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1- 40

2- NO SOURCE should be considered infalible. If there is a wide range of opinion there's probably a reason for it ( like the basic info isn't very good to begin with )

In that case we pick a reasonable date then wait and see who complains then take that info and decide if it's worthwhile changing or not



Don