Could u stop Gorgon?

[Gandalf Parker]

Shifting from subject to personal attacks will get the thread closed.

[Edi]

TirAsleen, you're not going to get very far with that attitude. Graeme may be putting things rather bluntly, but for the most part he is correct. Your dismissal of his argument just because he didn't take the most diplomatic approach is very poor form.

Mistform probably protects against Dust to Dust, since Dust to Dust causes physical damage to undead. Mirror image does not protect against it at all, because it is an area effect spell.

So the admonition to doing your research before posting applies to you as well.

Furthermore, the lack of capitalization and punctuation IS annoying because it means that reading and comprehending your posts takes five times as long as it normally would.

[Reverend Zombie]

Edi said:
TirAsleen, Furthermore, the lack of capitalization and punctuation IS annoying because it means that reading and comprehending your posts takes five times as long as it normally would.

As inartful as the postings might be, it doesn't take me very long to comphrehend what Tir's saying--certainly not 5 times as long.

Suggestions to properly capitalize and punctuate are reasonable, but when made publicly seem intended as much to shame as to improve the readability of the forum.

[Potatoman]

The petrification mr check on the Aegis (which I'm assuming is identical to the Gorgon's petrification check) seems to be relatively easily negated by high mr. In Newbie game 2, one of my Water Queens with an mr of 18 survived about 15 attacks against an aegis-carrying Seraph before finally succumbing. Throw on an anti magic amulet and maybe an astral hat and I don't think you'll be having any problems.

I don't think the Gorgon is much scarier than any other midgame SC. It's potent, but will fall to a thug or two if left unsupported and is vulnerable to most battlefield spells, thanks to a relatively low hit point total.
If you're counting on having Gift of Health, a friendly dominion, and Haunted Forest in play for every battle then I don't think you're playing in a very competitive game. Perhaps you should try your gorgon strategy in one of the multiplayer games hosted here on the dominions 3 boards before proclaiming your strategy broken?

[Edi]

Reverend Zombie said:

As inartful as the postings might be, it doesn't take me very long to comphrehend what Tir's saying--certainly not 5 times as long.

Suggestions to properly capitalize and punctuate are reasonable, but when made publicly seem intended as much to shame as to improve the readability of the forum.

Actually, that depends on how the suggestion is made and Graeme's request seemed reasonable enough to me. My own comment might have been harsher sounding.

Whether or not posts that lack proper punctuation and capitalization are hard to read depends directly on the length of the post and if paragraphs are used. That post of Tir's that I and Gandalf replied to was short enough that no problem, but the one before that starts getting into the difficult to read territory.

You also have to take into account that we probably also have dyslexics as members, and they might have even more difficulty than normal deciphering poorly formatted posts. That's reason enough to put enough effort to use proper grammar. Dyslexics sometimes also tend to produce poorly formatted posts, which is a possibility I acknowledge here, but I'm not going to assume it, especialy given the number of people on the net who just don't bother with proper capitalization and punctuation.

[Reverend Zombie]

Edi said:
Whether or not posts that lack proper punctuation and capitalization are hard to read depends directly on the length of the post and if paragraphs are used. That post of Tir's that I and Gandalf replied to was short enough that no problem, but the one before that starts getting into the difficult to read territory.

Indeed you are right--some posts are tougher than others!

[Xietor]

I play mostly MP games, but typically with only 1 or at most 2 human players. And with the huge surplus of nature gems i typically have, keeping one global spell up has never been an issue. keeping 2 or 3 up is pretty hard.

Not sure many players think it is worth their while to focus on keeping haunted forest dispelled. If your invading army consists of high end troops, haunted forest is not much of a detriment. it is the large armies of low end troops that are greatly affected by haunted forest.

I find it much harder to keep gift of health up.

I am sure with greater numbers of human players, keeping any enchantment up may be a challenge.

The queen of water, with items, is a potent sc in her own right. She could go toe to toe with most scs.

[TirAsleen]

First off, this is a games forum not a school class. i post in whatever grammar i can, another reasion is, english is not my 1st language. Critizing my grammar or other things that do not have to do anything with the subject is rather arrogant and short sighted when its happening here on a game forum, another reason why i will ignore such posts in the future. And i usually type quickly from mp games or at work so i have no time to check for spelling and other stuff, just cause you have the time, does not mean all other guys have it.

I talk in many other tbs related english forums for years and all people do understand what i post, so edi and graeme dice: don't bother and stay to the subject, more friendliness would be welcome too your do you treat all newcomers to this board like this? I played since dom1 and just lurked this board for years, i know which people have which attidude, meaning the arrogant and unfriendly posters are allready well known, i can only say do not bother me, thank you.

If you do not understand what i write or if its too hard to read for you feel free to ignore my posts, it would make us both more happy and this thread could finally stay on topic again and Gandalf or other moderators are not forced to close this thread. Anyways, it would be nice if some guys here would be more friendly when posting, no matter who is right, stay friendly and you are treated friendly as well.
Btw, i know the elitist behaviour well, in aow sm i leaded the ladder and all mp games, its tbs as well, i do not intend to repeat stupid wrongs in the past and no one should either. Dom community sure do not need arrogant elitist destroying the game with unfriendly behaviour.

Dust to Dustslightly off topic but gorgon could use it too): In my test i used 5 mages with 3 in death magic path scripted casting "dust to dust" several times. Ghost king was scripted to cast mistform, astral image and other buffs. dust to dust did no damage at all and this after 10 castings directly on the ghost king. It might eventually hit the ghost king, but it did deal never damage, all it did was to kill mirror image. After that mistform protected ghost king against exactly 1 hit, dealing 1damage. So Mistform was gone too. And finally Ghost king was hit big time by dust to dust for full damage. This is what is saw in the combat screen. I did not run 10 battles like this, but the results speak for itself. Or can a unit be so lucky to survive 10 dust to dust from close range? The mages just stood in front of him and its area damage too. So please consider this. The ghosts that travels with the ghost king come in handy too. Gorgon seems very vulnerable to Life Drain. So with ghosts he can certainly kill her if she is not stuffed with the best items in the game.

Other Pretenders that can deal with Gorgon:

Lord of the Night, good hp, humanoid so can use lots of items, assassin and BLIND.

Void Lord, better hp as gorgon, Life drain tentacle that she is vulnerable against and BLIND.

So, while i agree she is powerful against most armies i am not convinced she is the best SC, not in a direct combat with other SC. magic res items or anti magic spell is not need in friendly domain, its needed in hostile domain only or if Gorgon is using special penetration items. So Gorgon is limited to her own domain, when fighting other SC in any case. Additonally panagea has very weak priests, in LA(prefere to play in that era) their priests have just lvl1 preachers. They depend on better independent priests. I do not see these things as much as advantage. And while white/black bull do trample much its very good vs small armored troops, helping expanding early on what kinda is the same purpose of the gorgon as well why risk her in battle with other SC? To get her back is a long way with just lvl1 preachers.

[Graeme Dice]

TirAsleen said:
And i usually type quickly from mp games or at work so i have no time to check for spelling and other stuff, just cause you have the time, does not mean all other guys have it.

A person's posts are written only once, but are read multiple times. This makes it basic common courtesy to to minimize the amount of time people will have to spend reading what you write.

Dust to Dustslightly off topic but gorgon could use it too): In my test i used 5 mages with 3 in death magic path scripted casting "dust to dust" several times. Ghost king was scripted to cast mistform, astral image and other buffs. dust to dust did no damage at all and this after 10 castings directly on the ghost king.

There is no spell called astral image, and you have not even identified what the other buffs are, so this is hardly a definitive test.

[TirAsleen]

astral image=mirror image. i sometimes confuse words here.

Other buffs: quicken self and personal regeneration.