Corrected UK OOB

[Mobhack]

As I have just downloaced the game and patches installers because I forgot to transfer them to the new computer, I checked the version dates:

The one from the installation, applying patches up to 2.51 has the following info line:
Version 6/Sept/2005 (C) 2005 The Camo Workshop

so I downloaded the one above and it gives an info line of:
Version 24/June/2005 (C) 2005 A. Gailey & The Camo Workshop

Looks like the OOB was updated in one of the patches.

Cheers
Andy

[Riesig_Bar]

Thank you. Just wanted to be sure.

[Listy]

New Info on a major change in the UK OOB.

Due to FRES being so far in the future (Aprox 2015, at best) the MOD have started re-building FV432's and issuing them, so they have new engines, suspension, steering and add on armour. The net result is performance comparable to Warrior.

What I've found out.

FV432 Mk3
Being issued to battalions called AI Mech infantry.

Some have claimed 60MPH cross country, but I think they where reading the Speedo wrong and it was KPH. Which is much more believable, and about the same performance as warrior, which was the aim.

Extra armour only on the sides of the vehicle.

A remoute weapon station.

As of now, apparently two companies of the 2nd bat, Royal Green Jackets are mounted in them (1HQ Company + 1 Rifle company). Latter 1 Batt of the Royal Anglian will be upgraded to this vehicle. Another battalion will be using them by 2008. Also issued to AI units currently using the FV432 Mk2.

PS: Can we have Snatch Rovers in the OOB now?

[Alpha]

Q: Is the LAW80 really that good ?

range 10 and high accury ?

[Mobhack]

To my knowledge it is the only LAW type weapon with a built-in spotting rifle.

LAW 80

Cheers
Andy

[Listy]

Listy said:
FV432 Mk3
Being issued to battalions called AI Mech infantry.

Some have claimed 60MPH cross country, but I think they where reading the Speedo wrong and it was KPH. Which is much more believable, and about the same performance as warrior, which was the aim.

As of now, apparently two companies of the 2nd bat, Royal Green Jackets are mounted in them (1HQ Company + 1 Rifle company). Latter 1 Batt of the Royal Anglian will be upgraded to this vehicle. Another battalion will be using them by 2008. Also issued to AI units currently using the FV432 Mk2.

Ooo shinny...
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/uploads...1525461yr1.jpg
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/uploads...s/72581058.jpg

The Armour on the Front Slope looks like a warrior armour pack (Look at the slope of it compared to the front slope of a FV432). Dunno about the sides though.

And a new Bangstick:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j278/gisit/newgun.jpg

That Last one should be getting to front line units in the next few months.

[Mobhack]

yes - 432 Mk 3 is already in (both the naked and protection pack versions, plus the "what-if" IFV version).

Also looking into the new Mastiff (cougar) MPV vehicles that may replace saxon:
Cougar

Cheers
Andy

[Listy]

Mobhack said:
yes - 432 Mk 3 is already in (both the naked and protection pack versions, plus the "what-if" IFV version).

Also looking into the new Mastiff (cougar) MPV vehicles that may replace saxon:
Cougar

Cheers
Andy

I belive the FV432Mk3 is replaceing Saxon, while the Mastiff Is more of a special issue job Like the Snatch Rover.

[narwan]

I'm working on a couple of scenario's of NATO v WP battles using some less conventional formations like NATO's heavy recon squadrons. I've got a question about the UK's recon squadrons. I've been using the following OBs a lot (as it seems to be pretty accurate although perhaps not completely perfect):
http://orbat.com/site/history/histor...o/oob1989.html
http://orbat.com/site/history/histor...arsawpact.html


The NATO OB for 1989 gives the following for the UK's recon squadrons:

e. 9th /12th Royal Lancer Recce Regiment - Wolfenbuttel, FRG: 3 Sultan, 4 Ferret
1) Close Recon Squadron: 10 Sultan, 40 Scimitar, 20 Striker, 20 Spartan, and 5 Ferret
2) 2 Medium Recon Squadrons: 8 Sultan, 16 Scorpion, and 4 Ferret each

f. 13th /18th Royal Hussars Recce Regiment - Herford, FRG: 3 Sultan, 4 Ferret
1) Close Recon Squadron: 10 Sultan, 40 Scimitar, 20 Striker, 20 Spartan, and 5 Ferret
2) 2 Medium Recon Squadrons: 8 Sultan, 16 Scorpion and 4 Ferret each

b. The Blues and Royals: 3 Sultan, 4 Ferret
1) Close Recon Squadron: 10 Sultan, 40 Scimitar, 20 Striker, 20 Spartan, and 5 Ferret
2) 2 Medium Recon Squadrons: 8 Sultan, 16 Scorpion, and 4 Ferret each

While that is completely different from the formation in the game, the game's squadron seems to assume that these units were mixed up and turned into 5 combined squadrons (the difference is 2 Scorpions and the Sultans and Ferrets in that case). Am I right in assuming this? Am I also right in assuming that the Sultans are left out because they are command vehicles with little combat role? What about the Ferrets though?

Narwan

[Mobhack]

Depends on which orgnisation the recce regiment is - UK recce formations change every 5 minutes it seems, and there are usually at least 2 variants at the go at the same time (like BAOR and UK). And if deployed, then "extras" can turn up - e.g. the striker was supposed to be being retired but showed up being used in Iraq <g>.

1) The ferrets are probably just liason vehicles - like "tin jeeps", used to go visit the supported formation HQ and so forth, or for the CSM to toddle about in when doing admin tasks. Not really needed in-game as they are not battlefield troops as such. Could be useful for say supply convoy escort scenarios?.

2) I cannot see any reason for 10 (ten) sultans in a squadron (= Company). 2 I might believe. If command and control vehicles - left out as not of any use to the game (plus special "command vehicles" are a kill-me-quick sign to your opponent), but it may also be the original web site organiser confusing these with the spartan (used for the assault troops), or possibly the samaritan (ambulance) or the Sampson(?) recovery/fitters vehicles. Spartans would do OK for SHQ vehicles to stand for sultans, if wanted.

Cheers
Andy