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[brummbaer]

Hello there.
It seems taht something has been lost along the way, so again:
- Tank Companies, either with M60 or Leopard 1 are on 16 tank (1+ 3x5)well into the end of the '80s, and not 4+ 4x5. And this applies since their introduction.
- also italian M47 have never been arned with a 105mm gun (unit 016).
- for the A129 Mangusta see above posts #507052 and 564700.
ciao

[brummbaer]

After a long time I'm again at it.
This time I put my attention on the VBM/VBC Freccia, that is units:
041 VBC-R
078 VBC 155mm
089 VBC SAM
200 VBC-I

First of all the 155mm and the VBC SAM have never been conceived, so these are totally fictional units.
VBC-R in the game is portrayed as a Gun APC but it's quite different from the real one in carry capacity and armament.

Unit 200 is the one closest to the VBM Combat version, a wheeled IFV armed with:
weapon 1 25mm KBA with 200 rounds (which should make for 21 rounds in the game as for the Dardo which has the same turret),
weapon 2 7.62 coax MG
weapon 3 7.62 AAMG
Crew is 3+8, and the vehicle is available say starting 1/109.
No data on armor, so your guess is good as mine.
They are organized in companies of 13 vehicles (1+3plx4).

Other versions of the Freccia actually entering service are:
- VBC AT with same stats as the VBM Combat plus 2 Rafael Spike ATGMs, I couldn't find any info about reloads. It is to form 8-vehicles platoons.
- VBM SP mortar with no turret and 120mm TDA 2R2M (range 8km, 13 Km with RAP), no info about reloads; secondary armament 2x 7.62 AAMG, in 4-vehicles platoons.
- VBM PC (Command Post) with no turret, extra C3 equipment, armament still unclear whether 40mm GL or 12.7 or 7.62 MG in remote controlled turret. To be used in pairs at Battalion level HQ.

Other projected versions are a Medevac vehicle on the same chassis of the PC; a pioneer vehicle specialized for urban use; an ARV. But all these are irrelevant to the game.

Don and Andy let me know if all this is worth something.
Edit: the use of VBC/VBM acronyms is very confusing in italian sources, so I suggest to call them all in one way.

[DRG]

I'll put it on the list to look into

So what's being used as a SP-SAM then ?

Don

[DRG]

Originally Posted by brummbaer

VBC-R in the game is portrayed as a Gun APC but it's quite different from the real one in carry capacity and armament.

Ok......so what's the real one like then ?

Don

[brummbaer]

Sorry I had not explained myself. For the real one I meant the VBC Combat (u.200 as above). I'm not sure what a Gun APC is for game-wise, but the "car" is always the same. So I leave it up to you to make a twin of unit 200 as Gun APC.

SP SAM: we never had any That's why I asked about the Indigo MEI some posts ago.
All our SP air defence still relies on the SIDAM (units 85-96) which btw has non radar: target engagement is via LRF and optronic equipment. And like VCC1-2-80 and most of M-113 around the world is not amphibious.
And think that for the Sidam they abandoned the OTOMATIC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomatic (which would be an interesting what-if unit like brazilian Osorio and Tamoyo )