APC Development and related topics.

[luigim]

If you want to save one OOB slot for Russia, I have a candidate for elimination: BRDM3 Scout Vehicle.

It is not in service in Russia ( in Kenya instead)

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...res_video.html

"This vehicle is not in service with Russian army, but a contract was signed with Kenya for 88 vehicles. In the sale agreement, Kenya approved the delivery of these vehicles by the end of the year 2011"

http://www.deagel.com/Wheeled-Armore...000348007.aspx


BRDM3 was a proposed BTR80 modification as a recon vehicle. But BRDM2 was to be replaced so...

Digging and digging I discovered that GAZ3937 Vodnik was cancelled (only limited service), replaced by GAZ Tigr that is in full production now from 2011 ( it's the jeep of the Crimean Little Green Men!)

It seems that the latest recon vehicle in the Russian real life OOB is the GAZ Tigr!!

http://www.military-today.com/trucks/gaz_tigr.htm

http://www.military-today.com/trucks/vodnik.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ_Vodnik#cite_note-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ_Tiger


http://www.army-technology.com/proje...oured-vehicle/

"ther variants include GAZ-233014-0000186 and GAZ-233014-0000184 armoured personnel carriers, MK-BLA-01 UAV carrier, Kornet-EM multi-purpose missile system, TIGR SCOUT VEHICLE and Tigr-M mobile electronic warfare vehicle."
"Production of this military vehicle ceased in 2013 due to lack of orders. Russian Army preferred Tirg vehicles from the same automaker. The Tigr is broadly similar vehicle, however it is cheaper to produce and is more versatile."

So I propose to add in the Recon vehicle category GAZ Tigr (it's already in game with the kornet variant). In Russian OOB it's complementing BRDM2s as recon vehicle.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201...vehicle-syria/

In the linked photos you can see the standard weapon of Gaz Tigr, PKP Pecheneg I think but I'm not sure.

Here is the most complete russian OOB Source.

http://www.russiadefence.net/t5271-r...nd-rearmaments

You can see GAZ Tigr as recoissennance vehicle.

IN SHORT I propose: DELETE BRDM3 ( not in service)

Recon Formations: ADD GAZ Tigr with PKP Pecheneg, Kord or AGS30 Grenade Launcher

Net slot result = ZERO, not saving one like i was saying at the start

[luigim]

Obviously GAZ Tigr is not only RECON vehicle but UTILITY vehicle too, it's the russian humvee from 2011 on, it will replace older UAZ variants.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by luigim

So I propose to add in the Recon vehicle category GAZ Tigr (it's already in game with the kornet variant).

???

[luigim]

Originally Posted by DRG

???

In game there is only GAZ Tigr Kornet ATGM, not general purpose -Recon GAZ Tigr

Tigr in Sevastopol
https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-...136th-brigade/

Some photos.. I recognize Pecheneg and AGS 30 Grenade Launcher

https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-...136th-brigade/

https://img2.goodfon.ru/original/168...ya-oruzhie.jpg

http://www3.do.ru/upload/of-paper/20...tigr%5Ejpg.jpg

http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/Ap...oscow-01-M.jpg


Sorry for my bad english

[DRG]

Got it.....it was in with the wrong photo as Tiger Kvartet ------unit numbers are always helpful for clarity......

I have corrected the photo and am building Icons now

[luigim]

Ok in the future if needed I will insert unit numbers in my posts. Seems that this Tigr vehicle fits in a lot of different formations

[luigim]

Like american Avenger Humvee..

http://armyrecognition.com/weapons_d..._12401175.html

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don I know Andy and you are very busy smoothing out any lingering or last minute issues however, would you consider one for your country? One of my first go to sites just posted this today the LAV 6.0 and it looks impressive. This is a stand alone vehicle and not an LAV III model per say. I estimate it will enter service in Jan./Jun 2018 based on the issues raised in the below refs. and it looks like a LAV III on steriodes. Protection level to include calibers noted. I would put TI/GSR out to at least 45. As compared to the LAV III the LAV 6.0 is 9 tons heavier with the add on armor pkg. and w/o still 3.5 tons heavier.

As quoted from Ref. 1 "Currently the LAV 6.0 is one of the most protected armored personnel carrier in the world."

And if that's not incentive enough...Those "Hosers" Bob and Doug McKenzie might feature you on their show or better yet drink a case (or 2 or 3...) of their favorite Canadian brew in your honor!?!

Here's what I got...
http://www.military-today.com/apc/kodiak.htm
http://www.military-today.com/apc/lav_6_0.htm
http://www.gdlscanada.com/products/l...les/lav-up.php
http://www.vanguardcanada.com/2015/0...uite-selected/
http://www.vanguardcanada.com/2015/0...-as-monuments/
http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...piece/iietdrqv
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-rep...e-summary.page

Something else lurks up in Canada...an ALLIGATOR!
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...oured-vehicle/

If not I'll keep my eye on it!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Good catch.. Now in both as the "basic" LAVUP but also the LAVUP LRSS

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I knew the Bob and Doug McKenzie brothers would do the trick!?!

But THANKS and I'll consider the matter closed once we get a firmer idea of when they come into service as the Canadian Army website still doesn't list them yet. We'll be close though I believe.

Regards,
Pat