US OOB 12 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

[PvtJoker]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

As I wrote in Polish thread, P-51D Mustangs should have speed =8 (now 7)

Actually, 636 km/h at 1,500 meters

I don't know where you got Speed 8, though, since max. speed at altitude was 437 mph (= 703 km/h) by multiple sources.

(In any case it's a good example how much slower high altitude fighters could be at low altitude)

[Pibwl]

Maybe it's worth to give MG-armed jeep an own picture? I'm attaching a few proposals (BTW: it proved difficult to find good wartime photos of a jeep with .50 on a standard pedestal).

It would be:
- US: 34, 367, 377
- USMC: 367, 372, 375 (BTW: maybe USMC oob should also have unarmed utility variant?)
- UK: 233 (with Vickers though)
- France: 94, maybe 290 (BTW: maybe France should also have unarmed utility variant?)
- China: 13, 134, 311 (BTW: maybe China should also have unarmed utility variant? Or maybe Chinese utility variant should have no MG at all?)
- Netherlands: 317
- ANZAC: 113 (with Bren though), 116

Also, I believe it's worth to copy armoured jeep 227 from French OOB to US OOB as a scout vehicle - they were relatively common from 7/44 at least.

Michal

[DRG]

Michal...... the whole " give MG-armed jeep an own picture" issue HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, NOTED AND DEALT WITH IN ALL THE OOBS THAT USED MG ARMED JEEPS

34 Scout Jeep - Jeeps with AAMG could be given a separate photo...

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*(367, 372, 375 - Jeep with AAMG could get own picture...)

and YOU were the one who brought it up so I would REALLY appreciate it if you could

A / NOT repeat yourself

B/ Wait about 6 months AFTER the next release before looking for new things to nitpick about the OOB's

OK ??

As of right now there are 1,081 new photos in SPWW2. I DO NOT need any more help finding ones to replace. I am quite busy enough thank you


Don

[Pibwl]

But this time I brought a photo... OK, you can ignore it.

[MarkSheppard]

Request addition of Sikorsky R-5 (aka H-5, S-51, HO2S-1, HO3S-1) to the US OOB.

According to THE AGE OF THE HELICOPTER: VERTICAL FLIGHT; on V-J Day, 65 R-5s had been delivered to the US military, and the remainder of the contract (390 craft) was cancelled.

Possible photo of WWII era R-5 here:

http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/imag...-48/S48-11.jpg

[MarkSheppard]

Request B-24 Liberators be added -- they were used in the ETO for carpet bombing support (COBRA) and in the PTO; they were the prime heavy bomber from 1942ish onwards.

I did some art for them; see attached zip.

Also included as a bonus is PB4Y-2 and B-32 attempts.

Bits and pieces are based off various SPCAMO icons -- if you look closely, you can see B-17/25 etc bobs there and here.

Row 1: This row represents B-24 to B-24G models with no nose turrets in very early war (Tan/Desert) colors for Mediterranean operations and a standard mid-war (olive drab) livery. A bonus blue one represents early model PB4Y-1s.

Row 2: This row represents the B-24G-1 to B-24M models with a nose turret in mid war (Olive Drab) and late war (unpainted) roles; along with a bonus one representing late model PB4Y-1s.

Row 3: This row represents the B-24N model which would have been built en-masse at Willow Run in 1945 if Germany had not surrendered.
Following V-E Day, due to the enormous surplus of B-24s in stockpiles due to much lower than predicted casualty rates in Europe; production of the entire 5,168 aircraft run of B-24Ns was cancelled. Comes in Olive Drab/Unpainted colors.

Bonus blue icon represents the PB4Y-2 Privateer.

Row 4: This is my attempt at depicting the B-32 Dominator, Consolidated's attempt at a VHB, one is with a slightly fat fuselage and one is with a thinner fuselage. Heavy use of SPCAMO B-29 parts, particularly the engines.

One group had already begun receiving B-32s and had carried out combat missions with it; the ultimate goal was to have two groups equipped -- with the slight possibility of maaaaybe one more at a future date (inference based upon production #s I've seen).

[DRG]

I've already got an Icon ready for the B-24 desert and regular.......

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

Request addition of Sikorsky R-5 (aka H-5, S-51, HO2S-1, HO3S-1) to the US OOB.

According to THE AGE OF THE HELICOPTER: VERTICAL FLIGHT; on V-J Day, 65 R-5s had been delivered to the US military, and the remainder of the contract (390 craft) was cancelled.

I've confirmed that the R-5 would have been present in an invasion of Japan through looking at microfilm from the Air Force Historical Research Agency.

In June 1945, CINCAFPAC (aka MacArthur's HQ) had communications with War Department over this.

The AAF Helicopter program (yes, they owned helicopters in WW2) estimated 1945 requirements for Army Forces, Pacific (AFPAC) were four squadrons of helicopters, organized under TO&E 1-1087 (1 dash 1 nought 87).

Plan was for two squadrons to arrive in Pacific September 1945, and two more squadrons by October 1945.

MacArthur's HQ was requesting that the October 1945 shipment be equipped with R-5's and was making sure they were understood that existing R-6As shipped out would be replaced with R-5s as they became available.

The proposed employment by Army Forces Pacific was of separate flights (8 helicopters each) operating in support of ground units, operating independently of parent unit (a helicopter squadron was to have 32 aircraft).

Army Forces Pacific said that they couldn't accurately estimate 1946 requirements, but they expected two additional helicopter squadrons, for a total of six would meet Theater requirements.

Another memo from COMGENAIR (aka AAF HQ) to COMGENFEAF (Far East Air Forces) about helicopter supply for Floating Aircraft Repair Units (they used helicopters to shuttle spare parts to and from them) said that the plan was to replace the R-6 through attrition with the R-5, but they estimated that the flow of R-5s wouldn't start until December 1945.

The R-5 has already been done by SPCAMO -- WinMBT, Green OOB, Unit 528; icon 4903, LBM 56002; it's just a matter of putting it into WW2 and setting the start date to December 1945.

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by MarkSheppard

The AAF Helicopter program (yes, they owned helicopters in WW2) estimated 1945 requirements for Army Forces, Pacific (AFPAC) were four squadrons of helicopters, organized under TO&E 1-1087 (1 dash 1 nought 87).

TO&E 1-1087 - AAF Helicopter Squadron (13 September 1944) was commanded by a Major, with 143 men in the squadron and 16 x Helicopters; 12 x Jeeps, and various trucks for technical duties; so the plan was for 64 helicopters under MacArthur's control.

[DRG]

.....and the Sikorsky R-5 is in the OOB now with it's own icon